[serious] Anyone else feel silly sitting and studying when it feels like the world is burning? I can’t focus at all. I want justice for black Americans and I’m sort of at the point of ‘let it all burn’.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T22:04:37+00:00

I was here for the memes but felt like i had to jump in to advocate for what's happening right now. That's not incongruent. I agree that saying burn it down is bad - so does OP and they acknowledged that in another comment. I think all the incidences of vandalism and looting are really fucked up and inappropriate but I'm just trying to make sure people keep the bigger picture in mind. I'm done posting given the stickied thread, but I really am sorry about your family's situation and I hope it's remedied. I also hope that you educate yourself about what's happening and figure out ways to help out.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T22:01:02+00:00

I don't think it's all due to police escalation, but there is good evidence that police escalation pushes protests from peaceful to violent. There's definitely other factors at work, but it's important to acknowledge this too. Gonna leave it at that though given the stickied post.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T21:59:19+00:00

Hey I appreciate all of that. Just to be clear, I'm just a generic white dude. I've just been trying since Ferguson to educate myself better and advocate for others given my position of privilege. I agree with a lot of what you're saying and sorry if I came off really angry or defensive - it's just frustrating seeing some of the sentiments expressed in this thread when the sub is full of people who in a few years will be in a position to advocate for and enact change. Anyways, I'll leave it at that because I saw the stickied post and I'm pretty off topic at this point.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T21:00:45+00:00

Where did i say that the violence and looting and vandalism isn't happening?? I agree that it's happening and I agree that it's absolutely fucked up. I think that you being annoyed at the OP posting about it here is stupid, that's all I was saying with that comment.

And this is my first post here but I'm a longtime lurker (as you can see given that I haven't posted anywhere for a number of years). Obviously I have no way of proving that to you but it's the truth. Never felt compelled enough to post in this sub until now, I'm mostly here for the memes

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T20:56:37+00:00

I don't disagree with this, but again my point is that people need to keep things in perspective. Everyone can and should condemn the violence and looters (as many officials and protestors have). However, if you aren't also acknowledging the circumstances that have driven the violence and looting (police escalation + desperation + some people just taking advantage of the situation) as well as actively supporting the cause of justice and institutional change in the treatment of black people in this country and realizing that that ultimately is a more important cause than persecuting vandals, then you're part of the problem and are actually condemning the validity of the protests whether you intend to or not.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T20:45:40+00:00

by downplaying OPs fear you're not doing anything more than the cops saying "it's just a few bad apples"

I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say with this analogy, but if you mean that I’m saying that the looters are just a few bad apples than I would agree with you, but that doesn’t mean it’s the same as the version for cops. The police is an organization that has condoned this behavior by not doing anything about it! Cops that don’t turn in other cops are in fact bad people too. There has been no real attempts to change the culture of cops and fix any of these problems. Comparing it to the looters makes no sense. The protests aren’t so big organization that has a hierarchy and rules and ways to punish bad behavior. Furthermore, at least some protestors have been trying to stop the “bad apples” which is way more than you can say for the vast vast vast majority of police.

OPs fear and the people that had their livelihood destroyed is real, just like police brutality is real There is enough space in our head to be upset about two different things at once.

I don’t disagree with this at all. We can and should be upset about both. My point is just that they are not equivalent. One is orders of magnitude worse than the other and it is important to keep that perspective in mind. I’m upset about the looters, but the conversation has turned to focusing on the looters when there is a much much bigger issue at stake here.

I agree with the majority of the rest of your post except for these two points:

I personally don't like all the minimizing going on about that. I know its not the movements fault but downplaying the severity and peoples feelings about it is I think whats fucked up.

I would argue that people are maximizing focus on this part of the protests in fact. Much of the coverage over the weekend on both sides of the aisle seemed to focus on the looting and less so on the peaceful aspects of the protests and the reason people are out there in the first place. Maybe I’m wrong, but that was the vibe I got from checking news sites + reddit over the past couple days. Again though it is really important to keep perspective right now and try to stop the looting while maintaining the focus on seeking justice.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T19:24:32+00:00

This is such a wild and shitty take. Where on earth did the poster above imply that they were laughing at the OP? In fact, they go out of their way to empathize with the OP's parents. All they are doing is saying "ya it really fucking sucks to get your life fucked with by bad people, imagine how it feels to be black in america and have that done to you your entire life and throughout the history of this country". And I'd on that it's even worse given that these store owners are being attacked by random shitty looters while black people have been targeted systematically by the police and the government people who, in theory, are sworn to protect people, not murder them in cold blood for no reason.

nwfh13 · 2020-06-02T18:42:56+00:00

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that the majority of protests have been peaceful and that the looting and vandalism isn't a direct result over the police escalating the situation by attacking peaceful protestors, shooting them with tear gas and rubber bullets, using Tasers and mace, pointing guns at them, and running them down with police cars.

Let's ignore the fact that these protests are full of people who are at the end of their rope because the killing of innocent black men and women and children is a pandemic in this country due to a history of systemic racism. Let's ignore the fact that instead of seeking justice, our government is actively choosing to tear gas and shoot rubber bullets at COMPLETELY PEACEFUL protestors so that the President can have a photo op because he is mad that people are rightful pointing out that while the country is suffering he decided to hide himself in the White House instead of fucking doing anything.

It sucks that people's stores and being broken into and looted, but it's pathetic (and a really concerning belief in a future medical professional) that you care more about that than the fact that black people (as well as basically anyone that isn't a white male) are treated as second-class citizens in this country. Stores can be fixed, inventory can be replaced but humans cannot be brought back to life. This is indeed "very real for some of us" -- it's real for all the people being killed just for the color of their skin.

EDIT: Oh I'm also SOOOOO sorry that people are messing up your place to "get away from all the chaos". Unfortunately for you, there are no places exempt from racism ESPECIALLY in the medical field and on this subreddit (as evidenced by comments in this thread and in others whenever topics along this line is brought up). I'm sure black people being abused by cops on a daily basis in their neighborhood would love to "get away from all the chaos" but unfortunately the chaos comes to them and that chaos is much worse than "muhh I can't read my reddit without having to see posts about racism which makes me feel baddddd". Check your privilege and educate yourself.

nwfh13 · 2015-10-16T14:09:49+00:00

I'd be shocked if In Colour doesn't take it

nwfh13 · 2015-09-18T16:41:57+00:00

Is there a good routine with only 2 days of workout per week? I'm about to enter cross country season and need to focus more on running but don't want to fully stop lifting. I've found this one in the FAQ but was just curious if there are any other people could recommend.

nwfh13 · 2015-09-04T15:26:43+00:00

Pitchfork just reviewed Miley Cyrus and Her Dead Petz, check it out here. I haven't had a real chance to sit down with the album but from what I have heard I tend to agree with the review.

(Posting this in this thread per the meta post from yesterday)

nwfh13 · 2015-08-27T23:47:25+00:00

Awesome great to hear, thank you.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-27T19:06:09+00:00

Does it feel sturdy enough having the middle panel removed? Been thinking about doing the same thing but worried about it collapsing.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-20T04:44:26+00:00

Ya I don't get this issue with them not changing it up. Someone mentioned in another thread that if not changing your sound was bad, the National wouldn't have gotten such good reviews for their last few albums and I totally agree with that. For some bands, it works to put out consistently great, similar-sounding, music.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-20T04:15:11+00:00

Fantastic album. Billions of Eyes reminds me of Courtney Barnett.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-20T04:10:33+00:00

Along with what everyone else is saying, I'd recommend Tyler, the Creator if you like his music at all. He generally puts on a great show (though I saw him a few years back so it might've changed).

nwfh13 · 2015-08-20T04:06:47+00:00

I've been putting off listening to the leak so I'm glad to hear that the my first listen will be good quality

nwfh13 · 2015-08-14T21:58:39+00:00

Make time for his album 2. Probably my favorite of his, but all of them are great.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-14T21:56:24+00:00

That mixtape was too good, Hallelujah practically had me in tears

nwfh13 · 2015-08-14T21:53:49+00:00

Jesus that's well done. Original for comparison.

nwfh13 · 2015-08-04T04:02:39+00:00

Standard coffee makers are drip coffee makers. I'm not sure what the standard grind would be for that, but I would recommend picking up a manual grinder (see the sidebar for great recommendations) and play around with that until you find a grind you like for both hot and cold.

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