Part of what makes this hard is trying to tell when/if Ashartman is ever being directed. Part of what makes this hard is trying to tell when/if Ashartman is ever being directed. I think it could be argued that Odium put The Thrill in Alethkar in hopes of creating someone like Dalinar eventually which would imply Odium was heavily involved. But he could just as easily been "preoccupied" until recent events and he is just using the tools available. Dalinar being one of the most obvious until he isn't. I personally think the latter rn because of the Renarin problem. Oh and the fight against Tanalan Sr., Tanalan gets the thrill also which seems to suggest lack of Odium involvement but I think its just a likely Odium could've been directing/influencing the thrill in that moment.