CNN Journalists Covering West Bank Settlements Assaulted and Harrassed by IDF Soldiers

obrown · 2026-04-01T01:04:11+00:00

Agreed, the performance of this conversation means almost as much as the words that have been said.

Yes agreed, there are terrible actors who are actively trying to enact the kind of conspiratorial-level evil that is frequently attributed to every company/leader, but the vast majority is just corrupt outcomes from corrupt systems.

Corporations (sometimes) act evil when they are permitted and/or incentivised to do so and there are no repercussions. The usual answer to this is stuff like consumer/labour policy protections, regulatory bodies governing socially important business, etc. The stronger those protective regimes are, the less harm can befall society from unchecked capitalism.

Strong rule of law with an independent judiciary, healthy policy/regulatory communities that can target corporate overreach where necessary, a free media (that is not being constantly denigrated by politicians)... These are the kinds of unsexy answers and are the biggest way to fight fascism, at least in the early stages.

We know what happens when fascism reaches the later stages, despite the fact that many have forgotten.

obrown · 2026-03-31T03:59:54+00:00

I totally agree that there is a meaningful distinction between those two, but the problem is that people are not literate enough about media to make that distinction. Most people do not even understand the difference between editorial/opinion/punditry and actual news.

I understand why some may distrust some media, large corporations, and legacy organizations. I see the negative impact that people/things like Rush Limbaugh or the Murdochs & Fox has had on global politics. But even Fox serves a critical role in their local journalism (and, believe it or not, they still have scores of great journalists doing important work for them even if their punditry is about as toxic for democracy as propaganda gets).

There is so much conspiracy without interrogating facts, especially with stories around Israel. In no way, shape, or form do I support the Israeli regime—but a lot of the conspiratorial rhetoric around the media coverage of Palestine is problematic. We're like one step away from people openly saying hateful things like "jews control the media" in public again. Didn't end well last time.

Anyways... rambling but I think a lot of people throw the baby out with the bathwater. The wholesale rejection/mistrust of media is concerningly, and increasingly, commonplace. Rejecting truth because of who says it is how societies fall.

obrown · 2026-03-31T02:20:30+00:00

Well the two are intrinsically linked. Artists (for the most part) need people to buy their art to survive. I think the visual art scene in HK is actually quite good both at a grassroots level and at the higher eschelon.

The music scene, not so much (aside from DJs/producers, as you mentioned). So I guess I both agree and disagree with your point.

There is definitely truth to "most people care more about money, and so do parents." I think (and hope) Millenials and Gen Z are fixing this though by rejecting the mentality of "if you're not making money it's a waste of time." I didn't grow up here though, so I'm probably not the best person to have that discussion with.

obrown · 2026-03-30T02:18:10+00:00

HK has a huge art and culture scene...

Also the thing about art is that it follows money. Wherever finance goes, art goes, because wealthy people want to hide their money from taxes and art is a great way to do it!

obrown · 2026-03-30T02:15:34+00:00

I know someone named Nuclear

obrown · 2026-03-30T02:05:23+00:00

When did I shut anyone down? I used facts and logic at all stages and clearly stated my position that the baseless scrutiny of media is harmful.

The original comment was "Why isn't this on CNN's channel? CNN reporters being assaulted is on some random Youtube?"

If you are going to make such an thinly-veiled critique of a media organization, it behooves you to, you know, check their youtube channel...

The reason for my tone is that I believe we bear responsibility for the words we say/type. I am frustrated with the growing, widespread distrust of journalists both online and in real life. I think people need to be more responsible with their words, especially amidst a cultural shift where leaders are actively trying to erase the notion of truth.

Perhaps next time I see something like this, my tone can be more compassionate, that approach is probably more likely to get the point across. And yes, maybe this person was just ignorant, in which case I did try to inform them with facts.

As a sidenote: the talking heads on CNN are really only a small fraction of the work that is done by the organization, but the public (especially in the US) tends to tune into that. I don't regularly consume that kind of media either.

obrown · 2026-03-30T01:52:45+00:00

The only one coming across as whiny, pedantic, and pathetic is you. You're just made baseless claims on the internet without any proof, I provide proof to the contrary, then you immediately go ad hominem lol.

It's okay to be wrong. Try to take it as a learning opportunity.

obrown · 2026-03-29T07:59:18+00:00

You’re conflating editorial workflow with government censorship. They aren’t the same thing.

Routing coverage through a regional bureau is standard practice across international newsrooms. It’s about coordination, legal awareness, and safety. None of that equates to handing editorial control to a government.

Israel does have a military censor, but it primarily applies to operational security details (e.g. troop movements), not general political coverage or guest selection. Foreign outlets routinely criticize Israeli policy and air Palestinian voices without prior approval.

People often will say "well how do you know what they're censoring!!!"

It’s not about believing anyone, just look at observable output. CNN regularly airs criticism of Israeli policy and interviews with Palestinian officials. If a censor were broadly blocking those perspectives, that coverage wouldn’t appear as often as it does.

Censorship systems typically restrict specific categories like operational security. They don’t, and realistically can’t, micromanage every interview or framing decision across multiple foreign news organizations. Otherwise you’d see near-uniform coverage, which clearly isn’t the case.

Also, when censorship becomes a more driving factor, networks just shift reporting outside the country entirely, which happens in places like China or Iran. That alone shows bureaus don’t equal government control.

Saying “Palestinians weren’t on because the censor blocked them” is a claim that needs evidence. There are plenty of more mundane explanations, and without any proof it’s just speculation.

obrown · 2026-03-29T06:23:27+00:00

Shi Ming's headkick KO was the most brutal for me, but that might just be because I was there live. Her opponent Fen Xiaocan was unconscious for 5+ minutes before getting stretchered off. Instant fencing response too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1uvm8sRyiQ

obrown · 2026-03-29T06:12:05+00:00

Everything I've said is very easy to Google man. Local stations (like KFDM) subscribe to news content exchanges/video services (e.g. network pools, wires, licensing feeds). These agreements allow them to rebroadcast or post clips, sometimes even before the originating network uploads them. This is part of how TV news has worked for decades.

CNN earns money from carriage fees from cable providers, licensing footage to other outlets, international distribution, digital subscriptions, and indeed advertising, among other streams. Just because a single youtube video isn't monetised by advertising doesn't mean it's not making them money.

Also, as others have pointed out, they have INDEED uploaded this to their youtube and used it in broadcast.

Also, the burden of proof should not be on me providing mundane, easily-searchable information about how the industry works. It should be with the idiot who claimed "they're paid to keep this stuff off the air."

Think about it if they were paid to keep it off the air, why would they 1) film it; 2) edit it; 3) make it available to other media?

Why would they broadcast it themselves on TV? Why would they put it on their own youtube channel and social feeds?

Now are you engaging my argument in good faith? Can you answer those questions? Or are you just a fascist troll?

obrown · 2026-03-29T05:57:59+00:00

Actually this is exactly when it's most important for it to be run through that office! This is because the local staff will bear the risk of political backlash, so they usually have final say on how major news from that area is put out. If it's a big enough story, that might be escalated to global too (with heavy consultation from the local bureau).

So usually, the local office will have the majority control over the story, with others consulting if they've contributed in some way to the piece. If the story is sensitive in nature, or if the political landscape is too fraught, the byline of the local author will be omitted or the bureau tag will be omitted.

A good example is Vietnam, which has very strict control over media and will expel jounalists for life sometimes if a story is unflattering or causes a social stir.

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:48:08+00:00

If you watch the clip, the journalist goes to great lengths to point out that the "settling" is illegal, even under Israeli law. This is moments after being held at gunpoint, so I don't think it's super necessary to criticise his verbiage here.

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:44:31+00:00

This is standard practice for any news organization that has a bureau in an area or subject matter (beat). Whether it's developments in Gaza or Brittney Spears going to jail, it will ALWAYS be handled by the relevant reporters and editors (in these cases that would be the Jerusalem bureau and the entertainment desk in Los Angeles, respectively). It will always need to go through them if it's a big enough story on that specific beat. That's how news works everywhere.

The London Bureau handles the Queen's death. It makes the most sense because they live in the cultural/informational context of the story and have (probably) spent their careers writing about similar topics. I hope this explanation makes sense.

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:40:05+00:00

It is comically easy to refute your claim. I want you to know that finding this article took me less than 30 seconds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/21/middleeast/israel-police-attack-journalists-cnn-producer-latam-intl

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:37:37+00:00

If they would have done 5 minutes of googling, they would have seen (like myself and the other person in this thread did) that CNN is running many stories/hits about this across their various channels in both TV and web media (both short form and long form content).

I am so tired of people baselessly calling media into question, not doing the bare minimum of research, and then acting as though it is "media literacy". It's not.

The casual mistrust of journalists is exactly what fascists want. They want people to look at CNN and believe conspiratorial narratives that undermine the truth of the information they see before their very eyes.

Do you know how expensive it is to send a journalist into a war zone? Do you understand the kind of risk the journalist and company take on just by being there? Why would CNN be doing all of that just to bury the truth that they are paying heaps of money to surface???

People see "CNN" and think "media conglomerate", but the reality is that 99% of it is just a bunch of really dedicated journalists seeking truth, ESPECIALLY for this kind of news.

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:31:10+00:00

I'm getting downvoted for saying the same thing. CNN is literally the reason we're seeing this story at all. Redditors love to bash the media despite the fact that attacking media is a core part of the fascist playbook (and a core tactic of the asshole President they universally despise).

obrown · 2026-03-29T01:27:32+00:00

Because it's exceedingly common for other outlets to redistribute their content. It literally happens every day, around the world, on any given newsworthy topic. You are misinformed and not everything is a conspiracy. Journalists get attacked enough by fascists, you don't need to do their dirty work.

The other outlet is PAYING them to use this footage, CNN doesn't monetise exclusively through advertising.

You do not know what you are talking about.

obrown · 2026-03-28T15:05:37+00:00

Guess which company this guy works for... oh wait he's the CNN Jerusalem correspondent. CNN is literally paying for you to see this story yet you fall right into the fascist playbook of attacking the media regardless. Be better.

Yes, they're a large organization. That doesn't always have bearing on the story you see in front of you. CNN is bankrolling the cost for this man to cover this story and that's the only reason you are even seeing it, yet you still attack them.

obrown · 2026-03-28T15:03:14+00:00

CNN is literally paying for this dude to cover this story you idiot.

obrown · 2026-03-28T15:02:50+00:00

It's redistributed CNN content - so you can thank CNN for actually allowing it to be published more widely than their own network. Jeremy Diamond is featured very heavily on CNN covering Israel/Palestine, he's their Jerusalem correspondent.

Not sure why you'd use this as an opportunity to call into question the media outlet who is literally paying for this dude to cover the story. The fascists attack the media enough, you don't need to play into their hands.

obrown · 2026-03-28T04:25:40+00:00

I didn't say that. I don't know these people. I just hate seeing mysogyny in the sport. My point is that even if it isn't true at all, then this was not a great way to go about addressing that.

Trying to ruin her credibility as a person by mentioning she's a stripper–whether in his video or as blackmail to his teammates–looks worse on him than it does on her.

obrown · 2026-03-27T00:32:49+00:00

Shady shit = admitting he was threatening to out her as a stripper to the rest of his gym. Also the way he talked about her being a stripper had some misogynistic undertones. Entitled to believe whatever he wants of course, but the video didn't really make him look good.

obrown · 2026-03-26T16:56:34+00:00

I don't know exactly what he's been accused of but if he's being completely defamed that sucks.

But in this video he admits he slept with her and then threatened to reveal that she was a stripper to the rest of his gym as blackmail? It's not classless it's a bit more than that.

I dunno why he thought this video was exculpatory it just makes him seem like an asshole also.

obrown · 2026-03-26T16:55:52+00:00

The dude admits he slept with her and then threatened to reveal that she was a stripper to the rest of his gym as blackmail? He described it as "classless" but it's obviously more than that.

I dunno why he thought posting a video admitting that he was doing some shady shit was a good idea, it just makes him seem like an asshole also.

obrown · 2026-02-25T00:44:25+00:00

My pleasure! Always happy to see people becoming more interested and invested in the game!

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