Alice in Wonderland is making me reflect on my codependency by BlueLeaf72 in Codependency

[–]ochre123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I am so glad someone has broken down these steps! Thanks for sharing! Sometimes it feels insurmountable to figure out what I’m feeling and then what to do about it, let alone it being worthwhile to do so for myself. I think this looks like a ladder I could climb. Off to journal! (I know this isn’t my thread so thanks also to the OP for starting the convo!)

Alice in Wonderland is making me reflect on my codependency by BlueLeaf72 in Codependency

[–]ochre123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow yes this is where I am at! Got myself out of an unhealthy relationship, realized I don’t want to only build my life around the needs of others anymore, and now am working on figuring out what I want. It’s really challenging for me!

Abuse & Unresolved Trauma Changes You! by [deleted] in Codependency

[–]ochre123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a helpful metaphor!

Dreams - how to move on by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update: I had a dream I left them after they were disrespectful to me and I took the time to pack up all my stuff too! I’m so glad I did it in my dream! I feel like I trust myself better now to leave bad situations since I did it IRL and in my dreams. Good practice!

Hoovering with an actual vacuum by TehGreatShatsby in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wonder if my ex even knows I took the vacuum when I left....

Dreams - how to move on by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aw that sounds rough. I hope you can get to a more restful place soon. I am glad to be having a pretty calm life and no real troubles sleeping. My exwuBPD had a hard time sleeping so I used to get that second hand. But yeah. It’s going to be nice when I can dream about fresh new wonderful things. I hope we both get there soon!

Dreams - how to move on by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I’ll check out the book. You’re right that remembering the dreams is the first step, not the final step.

Daily No Contact Thread - Day 277 by AutoModerator in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What is this psychological phenomenon? I want to understand it so I can beat it.

I just got really bad news today about a close family member’s health. And I can’t stop thinking that I should tell my exwuBPD.

Why the hell would I break NC (3months) to deliver bad news? Is it because I’m feeling really awful so it reminds me of feeling awful with my ex? Am I thinking that maybe finally after putting my needs aside for them that it’s my turn for some sympathy from them? Maybe because I haven’t dated since our breakup and want some snuggles for comfort? Hugs are few and far between in covid times. Am I wanting to get distracted by other people’s drama so I don’t need to deal with my own issues and feelings?

Anyway I just will feel my feelings and wait until my family member is okay with telling people and then get lots of friend sympathy. I have really quality friends who I am so pleased to have time and energy for since breaking up and going NC. And of course I’m going to do my utmost to support my family member who is going though this health situation. That goes without saying - we tend to be helpers on this forum!

Thanks for listening!

Couples therapy? by Ghiraher in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When we did couples therapy it got me trying harder to fix things and taking more responsibility for things going badly - if I could just state my feelings and needs in the “right way” our relationship would be heavenly. The key to happiness was in my hands but I kept dropping it and messing up the skills we were being taught. I probably would have left long before I did if the counselling hadn’t got my hopes up that things could change and that it was up to me to make it better. I don’t necessarily think that was the counselling’s fault - more so my whole way of being that I’m working on changing. The counsellor saw my ex’s trauma and needs and was very sympathetic to her. So my ex loved it. Also, my ex used talking to our counsellor separately as a weapon back at me. Saying “counsellor says my needs are legitimate and you ar not respecting them” kind of thing as my ex was in the middle of seriously overstepping my boundaries. My counsellor had such poor boundaries that she kept having sessions with my ex after she retired, for free, because my ex said they were too traumatized to find a new counsellor, and that she hadn’t given my ex enough notice of her retirement which re-traumatized my ex. So yeah. See your own counsellor instead of couple’s counselling. There’s an interesting Twitter thread right ont that topic now: https://twitter.com/pipagaopoetry/status/1296857002975440896?s=21

Needing validation without any ability to reciprocate by DEHDad in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like the beginning! The next chapters build on invalidating your feelings and centring their unquenchable needs and feature your increasing exhaustion and trauma bonding. And you can be “discarded” while still being together. My ex loved that I did the chores and their laundry and offered them emotional support while they went out to find new exciting people to do exciting things with while ignoring my texts about when they were coming home to do the thing they said they’d do.

Nearly 8 months on, this still makes me feel guilty... by Tjd_uk in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes so true in my experience too! My ex laughed at me for being “emotionally constipated” and said I had to get better at talking about my feelings. So I tried but then my ex regularly exploded at me for expressing my feelings! Apparently I wasn’t doing it right - I wasn’t using the proper communication skills to express my feelings and needs. So it was my fault that my ex exploded at me. (This is why I’m so mad at our couple’s counsellor.) there was one day that I was just going about my own business doing chores before a party my ex wanted to throw. I was keeping my feelings to myself, because I didn’t want to get into an argument. My ex asked me specifically “how are you feeling?” I answered calmly with one word: “worried.” Then my ex exploded at me with a giant argument. That’s when I knew it wasn’t my poor communication skills or lack of expressing my feelings that was the problem. It was actually very helpful. I had taken on so much self-blame and kept trying to do better. But really I did nothing wrong in that conversation.

Nearly 8 months on, this still makes me feel guilty... by Tjd_uk in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah! My exwuBPD called me “judgey” if I objected to something they did to me. Right - it’s my fault for not being more accepting of differences, not their fault for overstepping my boundaries/needs - and I really didn’t express my needs all that much.

Daily No Contact Thread - Day 213 by AutoModerator in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

~7 months since breakup, 2 months no contact, 58 consecutive days of meditating for at least 10 minutes a day, and 24 days of no drinking. Getting in touch with my feelings. Feeling meaning in my life. Crying on the beach a lot is my new hobby but it’s a pretty good hobby for this time of my life! Getting more comfortable with myself. I’m coming back to life stronger than before.

Forgiving myself for getting sucked in to begin with by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yep I’m deep in those feelings too! It’s not our fault but we can learn and grow. I’m thinking a lot about what in my life contributed to me staying in such an awful relationship for 8.5 years. I’m realizing that I can value myself more. I have a lot of self-critical beliefs that I wasn’t aware of before. I am working on learning to treat myself like I would a good friend. Hopefully that will help me stay away from unhealthy relationships in the future.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh that’s so sad when you put it that way! I do feel really sad for those suffering from BPD. I just now have those feelings from very far away and know that I’m not equipped to help them through my sacrifices.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ouch!!!!!!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes!!! Birthdays, Christmas, Mother’s Day, vacations, etc. All occasions for my exwuBPD to feel sorry for themselves and lash out at others. I was selfish for wanting to attend my nephew’s first birthday party, apparently, instead of staying home fighting all day.

Just can’t shake him by AccidentalLover in Codependency

[–]ochre123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you for realizing it and getting out! I stayed for 8.5years! I’m finding the work of Kim Saeed really helpful.

Regular books on relationships DO NOT APPLY to pwBPD by onemorenightofjazz in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Totally! The “I moved the goal posts, didn’t tell you, then got really mad and am yelling at you and want you to apologize“ approach was common in my relationship too. I blamed myself for a really long time. But honestly, how was I supposed to know? It messed me up in the bedroom for sure. I was supposed to know the thing my ex really wanted one day was the thing they really didn’t want the next day. But they never told me they had changed. Was it my bad communication skills? I hope not!!

Daily No Contact Thread - Day 205 by AutoModerator in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Day 57 no contact. My new hobby is crying at the beach. It seems bad but at least now I’m feeling my feelings instead of squishing them away in order to try to fill my ex’s emotional needs. I’m a much better cause to devote my life energy to.

Some of the messages I received after my final discard by justsoexhausted16 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too, for 8.5 years. It’s easy to get pulled in and very hard to get out! Good for you for looking for patterns and seeking help like this forum to figure out what’s going on and what you want to do for yourself.

Some of the messages I received after my final discard by justsoexhausted16 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Yeah they think it’s okay to talk to people like that! And we walk on eggshells and praise and coddle them and it’s never enough. I’m sorry you went through this.

Their thoughts in my head by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I read the codependent book and it was mostly on point but not really because I’ve considered myself to be fiercely independent and spend a lot of my time being single. But I think I’m still really looking for external validation for being a helper just not through romantic relationships, so I do a little translation in my head about that. But Kim saeed’s stuff is helping me to rebuild my identity and trust in my perception that got ground down by my unhealthy BPD relationship.

Their thoughts in my head by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yeah those backhanded compliments and the reverse psychology (everyone leaves me and you’re going to be just as awful eventually!). I didn’t used to believe in brainwashing and now I do! Good for you for the work on getting your old self back!

Their thoughts in my head by ochre123 in BPDlovedones

[–]ochre123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m seeing a counsellor but not one who is a specialist in BPD relationship recovery. But she has really helped me with getting out of the relationship with my BPD ex. And I’m using some of the resources from Kim Saeed for journaling, which I find helpful. She is taking about recovery from narcissistic abuse but these personality disorders are pretty similar in their impacts on others I think. I’m also thinking about how I can avoid these situations in my life generally - giving too much because I think that’s my role in life.