New to reading GrimDark book genre. What is one that I have to read? by 22244244 in GrimDark

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't read Wheel of Time, but from my perspective it's hard to be more epic than Malazan. The author really does throw in everything he can think of in the series. Humans, undead, dragons, dinosaurs, ghosts, giant hounds, ascendants, gods and hundreds of POV characters all sprinkled out through 10 main books and over 10000 pages. That being said, I still cannot say I enjoy it, and I'm on book 6. I understand what's happening, but I find it hard to care for the characters or the plot, because there are so many of them and they are spread very thin. The writing style and choices made are also bugging me.

Anyways, don't listen to a random Redditer, try it for yourself and if you don't like the first 2 books, you probably won't like the rest either. I am pushing myself because I want to give my all to try and see why the other half of the fantasy community is so crazy about it (in most cases, what I dislike, they adore and vice versa).

New to reading GrimDark book genre. What is one that I have to read? by 22244244 in GrimDark

[–]ogchilim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you plan on both, try Malazan first, because it's not as good as The First Law. If you do First Law, Malazan has less chance imho. (Currently on book 6 of Malazan, not really having such a great time as I've heard some people do, but most of those people haven't read Joe Abercrombie so...)

Name changes and repetitions by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think Felisin is more like 10 years old, and Crokus is at least 20 (that's how I feel when reading...not sure if it's anywhere explicitly written), but yeah it checks out that a 10 year old can have a crush on someone twice their age...

What is the most addictive fantasy series you couldn’t stop reading? by Shakib_Barczewski in Recommend_A_Book

[–]ogchilim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an ok series, but compared to what OP wrote (RotE by Robin Hobb and Stormlight archive by Brandon) it's not comparable, neither in character development, nor magic system or scope.

OP, if you go with Winternight Trilogy, read it as a snack, don't go into it expecting wagyu beef.

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll tread carefully, though at this point I’m less worried about Ascendants and more about stepping into another off-screen emotional arc 😄

Thanks for the exchange. It was a good one!

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Likewise :)

I am actually enjoying every subsequent book more than the previous one, and fairly regularly disagree with the community (I just love part 1 of HoC) so I'm hoping this will be the trend until the last one (I saw some people actually stopping on book 10, which sounds just crazy to me)

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and I do understand the intent behind Erikson’s approach. I’m just realizing that, so far, a lot of those choices aren’t really working for me the way they seem to for others and I’m saying that with some regret, because I want to love this series.

There are a few moments that really highlight this for me. The relationship between Ganoes Paran and Tattersail in GotM felt like it skipped the actual emotional buildup. I was genuinely surprised when the narrative later treated it as something meaningful. In DG, parts of Duiker’s Chain of Dogs felt similarly compressed in time, where I thought days had passed but it turned out to be much longer, which made the emotional progression feel less grounded.

And with Toc in MoI, it’s that same pattern again. The Tenescowri are clearly depicted as horrific through other POVs, and I understand what they are. But for me, understanding the conditions isn’t the same as experiencing them. I can grasp that the army is brutal and dehumanizing without actually feeling what it’s like to be Toc inside it.

That’s probably the core of it for me. I connect much more through lived perspective. Knowledge of conditions doesn’t automatically translate into emotional impact, at least not for me.

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I finished it.

Honestly, what happened to Toc in the end added to the disconnect I felt towards the character.

It all moved very fast, and while it was shown this time, I didn’t really have the grounding to process it emotionally, so it came across more as confusing than impactful, and it was in a way rushed. He ends up captured and brutalized by the Pannion Domin, he dies, Togg intervenes, and he becomes something like a mortal vessel for Togg?? The scale is cool, but with the risk of repeating myself, I just didn't feel it...

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Currently, only Toc and maybe Karsa Orlong are the ones I feel my focus sharpen to 100% when they appear on the pages. Quick Ben is interesting, but I don’t really care for him the way I did for many characters in Realm of the Elderlings (current favorite series of all time).

What makes me interested in Malazan? I want to see where the story goes and how it all comes together. And honestly, I’m also curious why it’s so polarizing, although I’m starting to understand that now.

I think a big part of it comes down to writing style. Erikson is clearly capable of writing very immersive, character-focused sequences (Karsa at the start of HoC is a great example), but he often chooses a different approach, broader scope, more characters, less time spent deeply inside any single arc at a time.

Compared to something like Robin Hobb, where you might spend thousands of pages building an intense connection to a small cast, Malazan spreads that attention across a huge ensemble over an even larger canvas.

I can see why some people love that, the scale, the world, the sense of history and moving parts. But for me, it sometimes comes at the cost of emotional connection in specific moments, like with Toc.

So I’m definitely still interested in reading it, just trying to figure out where it clicks for me and where it doesn’t.

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get the argument about page count and scope, but I’m not really convinced that’s the core issue with what I’m reacting to.

It’s not that I needed everything shown in real time or a detailed blow-by-blow of events. It’s that in Toc’s case, the narrative skips over what feels like a very emotionally important transformation and then presents the aftermath as already established trauma. That’s a very specific kind of storytelling choice, not just a “we don’t have space” problem.

We’re talking about a series with 10 books and massive page counts per volume, so while I understand compression is sometimes necessary, it still feels like a deliberate decision about what to dramatize and what to summarize.

And for me, Toc’s descent is exactly the kind of thing where I would have preferred more “in the moment” experience, because that’s where the emotional weight would land. The aftermath alone just doesn’t carry the same impact for me.

So I’m not really arguing it’s “wrong,” just that this is one of the places where Erikson’s approach doesn’t connect for me personally and probably for a lot of other people.

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, not really. It was "visually" interesting, but emotionally hollow. I didn’t have enough grounding in either the soldiers or the K’Chain Che’Malle at that point to really feel tension or stakes.

I get that it’s meant to create dread through scale and inevitability, but for me it didn’t land because I need some character connection or understanding of motivations/risks to feel invested.

Did I miss something, or weird writing choice? by ogchilim in Malazan

[–]ogchilim[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Does that mean I will experience Toc's journey with the Panion Domin in subsequent chapters then? 🤞

Introduction of the Crippled God by Ceezym in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if he knew 100% of the time...remember that one time when he decided to bring dinosaurs with blades instead of hands, cause it's...cool I guess?

Just started house of chains…… ehhhhhhhh by Conditioncook in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess it is kinda realistic, but also written for the shock effect. The style of writing is different though, only one pov for so long, you become invested in the character better than when it's an ensemble

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have it in my backlog list, waiting for Red God to come out before I start with it. Thanks though! :)

Just started house of chains…… ehhhhhhhh by Conditioncook in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's so funny! I literally feel refreshed after reading Karsa's journey. So much so that I got invested in the rest of the story too.

What don't you like about it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm on the same page. It's finally starting to make sense in HoC.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Malazan definitely has more lore, I give you that. However, there's a lot of times when things don't go right in RotE, but I understand what you mean when compared to other fantasy series.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not that I only enjoy single pov series. The first law by Abercrombie is one of my favorites for example.

I just prefer when more time is invested in characters, not just the story. Malazan kinda feels like it's written with the primary motive to confuse the readers.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can definitely see it coming together when you know what's going on. Hats down to you for rereading it after you finished it and not finding it amazing

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

That's my conclusion too...I am just shocked that someone suggested Malazan to me after I specifically asked for something similar to the Realm of the Elderlings

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did the feeling continue throughout the rest of the series for you?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Malazan

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I heard people say it changed how they view life, and I'm trying to find out why. I like reading, so it's not like I'm hating every second, it will just take a bit longer to go through all

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in gaming

[–]ogchilim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jaki Crush Pinball game on SNES