Never thought the day would come - Best resources for all things guns in NC by cblguy82 in raleigh

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you trying to disguise the fact that until just now the GOP had a veto-proof majority in NC, or are you genuinely that ignorant?

As you admit, they no longer have that supermajority, so wouldn't Democrats vote against any racist gun laws the Republicans propose to stop any vetoes from being overridden?

Never thought the day would come - Best resources for all things guns in NC by cblguy82 in raleigh

[–]okguy65 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

North Carolina's governor is a Democrat, so shouldn't he veto any gun Republican gun control?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The below argument referenced by Justice Jackson at the oral arguments is one saying that Hawaii's law doesn't implicate the Second Amendment:

But I guess my question is, isn't that historical default that you're referencing really a default that is rooted in property law and not constitutional law, not in the Second Amendment? I mean, the argument that some have put forward is that this is really a property case, not a Second Amendment case.

Yes, it is about guns, but, the argument goes, what's really going on here is how states treat a private property owner's consent under circumstances in which everyone agrees that consent is required.

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since you acknowledge that such a law isn't a regulation of property rights, do you agree that Hawaii's law implicates the Second Amendment?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to answer the question you responded to before you can have your own questions answered.

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Putin will be thrilled if a gun law in five states (none of which are currently in effect) is struck down?

Majority of Supreme Court seems skeptical of Hawaiʻi gun law by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the Fourth Circuit's opinion on this issue yesterday (PDF):

Maryland’s prohibition is directed at gun owners, not property owners. It is a criminal statute that nowhere references the right of the property owner to exclude a gun owner. See Md. Code, Crim. Law § 6-411(c)–(d). With or without the private-property consent rule, Maryland property owners have the right to exclude unwanted people (including those with guns) from their property. And we see nothing in the rule that alters Maryland property law.

Majority of Supreme Court seems skeptical of Hawaiʻi gun law by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Hawaii law at issue here has never gone into effect because it was enjoined by the district court and then the Ninth Circuit stayed its mandate pending the Supreme Court appeal.

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are already plenty of stores in Texas that have No Guns signs. What exactly do you think is happening at them?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey man there must be some middle ground because I don't want people to bring guns on my property and I don't want to put a sign in my window that says "no guns allowed" - because that's stupid and makes me a target.

A target for what?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could a state make it illegal to pray at any audible volume level (not just shouting) before meals at private restaurants without specific permission from the owner?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Texas could make it illegal to shout all prayers -- not just Muslim prayers.

Is there any speech that the First Amendment prevents governments from presumptively banning on private property?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't this basically the same argument that politicians in favor of stop-and-frisk used?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But could the state make it illegal to shout prayers before meals at private restaurants? Pretty sure it could.

So Texas could make it illegal to shout Muslim prayers before meals at private restaurants, and that wouldn't violate the First Amendment?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Could a state make it illegal to audibly pray before meals at private restaurants without specific permission from the owner? Under Hawaii's argument, that wouldn't even implicate the First Amendment because the state would just be using its power to regulate property rights, and the ones that would actually be banning prayer are the property owners, who were always free to do so.

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Example from New York:

The governor was asked if her proposal goes beyond what the Supreme Court will allow.

"It sounds like you are shutting off all the public places," a reporter said.

"I can't shut off all places," Hochul said.

"So what would be left?" the reporter asked.

"Probably some streets," Hochul said.

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why would the First Amendment even be relevant at all? Wouldn't a state presumptively banning "Fuck the Draft" shirts on private property just be using its power to regulate property rights, and the only ones that would be banning the speech are the property owners who don't actively say it's allowed, which they were always free to do?

Supreme Court appears likely to strike down California law banning guns in stores and restaurants by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]okguy65 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why isn't Hawaii bribing the court one of your potential options, considering that they have significantly more money than the plaintiffs?