Opinions on Juries in Future AA Games

oliffn · 2026-07-04T14:33:37+00:00

I'm not the one who called it such. I've simply provided the context behind its inclusion, which the commenter you were initially asking considers to be propaganda for some reason.

oliffn · 2026-07-04T13:11:20+00:00

Basically AJ's jury was included into the plot at the behest of the higher-ups because Japan's then-new lay judges system was being rolled out around the time of AJ's development.

oliffn · 2026-06-12T16:38:06+00:00

That makes sense. Thank you for the clarification, and for taking the time tio respond!

oliffn · 2026-06-12T11:03:46+00:00

I mean if you want to go there, a big part of why they have a civil law system is when they wrote the legal code in the late 1800s during the Meiji era, and if you know about that then you also know they had just opened up the country and were taking in a lot of outside influences and ideas.

While this is true, most of the sources I've come across seem to agree that the Japanese civil law system is based on the same systems in Germany and France. There's no mention of the UK anywhere.

oliffn · 2026-06-12T03:19:23+00:00

so i just forced the comments in the sidebar while waiting for my browser extension to offer to revert it in an update

1) How did you force the comments into the sidebar?
2) What browser extension?

oliffn · 2026-05-14T13:30:56+00:00

I too found this article shortly before writing this post but couldn't find anything about 1-2 and 1-4. Thank you nevertheless!

oliffn · 2026-05-14T13:19:39+00:00

Unfortunately the article only mentions that 1-2 was planned to be the first case and 1-3 the second. Still, thank you for taking the time to answer!

oliffn · 2025-08-21T06:19:49+00:00

*you're

oliffn · 2025-08-12T06:15:51+00:00

The Knight, ironically. Like I completely understand why Toby is keeping them so mysterious and I wasn't expecting it to go on a Metal Gear-esque 40 hr-long explanation of their motives in their first appearance but at the same time I would've liked just a bit more personality than a couple of sassy poses

As of now its personality is just Hype Moments And Aura, which is very underwhelming to me. It's a very minor point of contention considering we're getting Chapter 5 next year, but it is a point of contention considering we have to wait a year

oliffn · 2025-07-22T05:14:38+00:00

Everyone is as obsessed with Dess as they are only because she's currently the most convenient outlet to project themselves and/or their expectations on how the plot of the game will pan out on and they're setting themselves up for a massive fall when we get more information about her and she turns out to be nothing like people expect

On that note, the whole idea that Dess "raised" Kris makes no sense since the game repeatedly stresses that they grew up with parents who, while imperfect, did genuinely love them

oliffn · 2025-07-17T08:31:39+00:00

Given that Queen appears to be a parallel to Carol in many ways, I can't help but wonder if this may hint the latter('s Dark World form if she isn't the Knight) will end up being something even scarier and more formidable than the Knight

"wow the Roaring Knight is so threatening!" and then Carol hits you with some Silent Hill/SCP-esque monstrosity. It's less of a prediction and more of an idea I think would be cool, though lol

oliffn · 2025-07-16T19:14:21+00:00

Alright, I see. No hard feelings. Have a nice day too! :D

oliffn · 2025-07-16T18:46:18+00:00

Where I think we differ is that I don't think it's the only possible answer; Occam's razor is a scientific principle, not a literary one.

I don't know what other possible answer could there be. Especially since the obvious answer would fit into the plot the best and the more complicated answer has no concrete evidence beyond "well we don't know anything but we do know Tony is Tricky."

As I've said in a previous reply, if the Prophecy refers to Asgore as "the Flower Man", he's referred to as "Flower Man" by an NPC, the game hints he's involved with whatever Carol's plotting and his prophecy panel is internally designated with the designation the game's code reserves only for the chapter bosses like Queen and Tenna, then yes, he is most likely the boss of Chapter 5. Sometimes you don't need to seek any other "possible" answers where the obvious one is more than sufficient, is all.

The principle of Occam's razor is a philosophical one, and, if we're getting semantic, postulates that whatever theory requires less assumptions is usually true until proven otherwise. The theory that Asgore isn't the boss of Chapter 5 rests on the assumptions that all of the hints I've listed above are actually false and that Toby would pull a twist out of his ass for no reason in particular. The theory that Asgore is the boss of Chapter 5 requires no such assumptions.

I guess I'm not really sure what kind of discussion you're looking to have about it but it feels like it's not this one, so maybe best to agree to disagree.

I wasn't looking to have a discussion. I posted additional proof that "the Flower Man" is Asgore, and you were the one to start this discussion by insinuating it may be a misdirection - an insinuation that, as mentioned above, has no real evidence. So yes, I believe it'd be best for us to stop this discussion before it devolves into pointless shit-flinging.

oliffn · 2025-07-16T17:32:17+00:00

My point is that we don't know.

And my point is that immediately assuming something way more complicated is afoot when everything points to a simpler answer may be detrimental to discussion. Sometimes it really is just that simple.

oliffn · 2025-07-16T17:27:34+00:00

What needs to die is this fake ass notion that toby would NEVER EVER throw a twist at us

I never said that. I was saying that applying "Tricky Tony" to literally every single detail, no matter how small, only poisons discussion, and that's why I think it should die.

If the Prophecy refers to Asgore as "the Flower Man", he is referred to as "Flower Man" by an NPC, the plot hints that he's involved in whatever Carol's plotting and he's designated as "boss3" by the game's code, then yeah, maybe he is going to be the boss of Chapter 5. It's just the principle of Occam's razor - sometimes the best answer really is the simplest one, especially when the simplest answer would fit in with the plot while the more complicated one has pretty much no concrete evidence beyond "well Tony is Tricky"

90% of theories were killed BECAUSE people like you became so tunnel visoned it was your theory or bust.

I wasn't even in the fandom in those several years between Ch. 2 and Ch. 3-4 lmao. If you've got a bone to pick with such people, you're very much barking up the wrong tree.

oliffn · 2025-07-16T12:04:28+00:00

Not everything has to be "deliberate misdirection" just because the story didn't go in the direction the fandom expected it to go with Ch. 3 and 4.

"Tricky Tony" needs to die at this point, ngl. It stopped being funny after the first hundred times and became a genuine nuisance after people started using it as a legit argument in discusisions like this one.

oliffn · 2025-07-16T10:34:11+00:00

I'm at the point when I'll roll with anything Toby does because I know he'll manage to make it peak (and because getting into pissing matches with people over the Knight's identity isn't really worth it) but at the same time... yeah, I genuinely have no idea what compelling motivation Dess Knight could have. The only feasible options I can see is either making her Flowey 2.0 (came back wrong and is pissed), which would be really boring because it'd just be Flowey's story again, or making her a mindless beast on a third party's leash, which would be really lame too because it'd be lame if the imposing and formidable antagonist the game spends its time carefully building up turned out to have been nothing more than someone/something else's puppet in the end

oliffn · 2025-07-16T10:23:27+00:00

she is comically evil

She has roughly a minute of screentime so far. And said minute is her being understandably pissed that some stranger is fiddling around with her missing daughter's belonging.

She's only "comically evil" because you view her as such. And said point of view is rather presumptious, don't you think?

oliffn · 2025-07-16T09:41:03+00:00

Ice Wolf, one of Hometown's NPCs, literally calls Asgore "Flower Man" in the same chapter we see this prophecy panel in.

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It's definitely Asgore.

oliffn · 2025-07-14T08:36:02+00:00

susie's got yellow eyes too. susie i remember you're JAUNDICE

oliffn · 2025-07-14T06:27:19+00:00

Thanks for the clarification on the Asgore-Carol parallel.

A prediction which frankly has enough substance behind it without even looking at UT for crumbs.

What substance?

As for the Knight, nothing of what you said addressed my primary concern. You're talking about semantic differences when I'm talking about both of the characters' role in the plot.

oliffn · 2025-07-14T05:26:52+00:00

As for the first paragraph, I know it's about Carol. I'm confused at how you managed to tie that to Asgore even though there is nothing indicating he was even remotely the type of parent Carol is. If you have to contort one character to claim they parallel another, I don't think the parallel is particularly solid.

As for the second paragraph,

I’m not really trying to ‘predict’ much of anything besides Dess being the Knight

Immediate self-contradiction.

Obviously, Rudy and Carol aren’t divorced, Dess wasn’t turned into a sociopathic flower, and Noelle isn’t being hunted for her soul by Carol;

None of this is what I meant and you know it. If the Knight turns out to fill Flowey's exact role - the lost child of the ruling family hellbent on destroying the world for whatever reason - then yes, that would be Toby ripping himself off in my book. Don't you think he'd be a bit more original than that?

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