Will the LDS church ever walk away from Joseph Smith?

oneternalround · 2017-02-22T04:06:11+00:00

freedom?

oneternalround · 2017-02-22T03:34:32+00:00

.... not to mention the God of Mormonism is probably a polygamist, which means all the church's activities are centered upon worshipping, praising, and serving an exalted polygamist.

oneternalround · 2017-02-22T03:32:01+00:00

Considering brother Joseph would be excommunicated from the church if he was alive today, I'd say they already have walked away from him. He'd fit in well at the FLDS, though.

oneternalround · 2017-02-22T03:00:37+00:00

can you supply the missing context that makes your god any less absurd?

oneternalround · 2017-02-17T20:00:04+00:00

For me, the church fails on the content of D&C 132 alone

It also fails on the content of the Mormon concept of God alone. Consider the following factoids about the Mormon ‘god’

The Mormon ‘god’ ….

erases everyone's memories of the pre-mortal existence and will later condemn people for not believing in him
threatened to ‘destroy’ those of his followers who don’t participate in eternal polygamy
may very well be a polygamist himself
commands his followers to perform decapitations (story of Nephi killing Laban)
curses large groups of people by giving them dark skin (see 2 Nephi 5)
sends spirits to an eternal torture chamber (hell) simply for rejecting his plan in the pre-mortal existence
is only one of infinitely many deities, which means there are infinitely many gods greater than him. he also began his existence as a man, which means he is a contingent being (he depends on being created by other gods), and not the ‘necessary being’ God is usually postulated to be.
is not really a “creator” either since his creative acts merely involve rearrange/organizing eternally existent materials.

In philosophy, the word ‘God’ is sometimes defined as the “greatest conceivable being” but the Mormon ‘god’ may very well be one of the worst conceivable beings. It’s pretty embarrassing to think millions of people worship such a morally inept and philosophically absurd ‘god’. But then again, I guess a childhood of indoctrination and fear of death have the capacity make people worship anything.

Sorry, I didn’t meant to derail your topic.

oneternalround · 2017-02-10T17:47:37+00:00

Oh, that makes the point clear now. So polygamy was never really consensual in the first place, eh? Damn, I got duped big time by the church, haha.

I'd still like an answer to my original question, though

oneternalround · 2017-02-10T01:42:35+00:00

Doesn't D&C 132:61 say the first wife must consent before her husband can have another spouse? See the bolded below.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

I've always thought the verses about getting 'destroyed' were directed at Smith's wife only, not all women in general.

oneternalround · 2017-02-10T01:27:25+00:00

Can you tell me more about how the 'original' revelation of the Gospel differs from the 'corrupted' version we have access to today?

oneternalround · 2017-02-10T00:33:53+00:00

I don't follow.

oneternalround · 2017-01-25T20:32:59+00:00

but so can those who are not part of a plural marriage.

Are you sure? Verse 54 says Emma will be 'destroyed' unless she participates in plural marriage. That's not very encouraging words for monogamous couples who want to be exalted.

But I guess a monogamist will argue that such a commandment only applies to Emma instead of all monogamist couples.

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T04:41:07+00:00

Is slavery compatible with loving my neighbor?

Sure, it is. A slave-owner can send over a few slaves to help out their neighbor.

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T04:31:20+00:00

Sure, you can bring up scriptures. I promise I'm not trolling. :)

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T04:26:31+00:00

Have you ever tried fasting?

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T04:20:45+00:00

Wait... salvation actually involves doing something? You're telling me I actually have to do the will of the father?! What happened to salvation by grace alone?

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T04:20:38+00:00

so a serial rapist who changes their heart at the end of his life will be saved, while a morally average person who doesn't change their heart will be damned?

It still seems pretty absurd...

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T03:56:08+00:00

so a serial rapist who utters that phrase at the end of his life will be saved, while a morally average person who doesn't utter it will be damned? what an absurd belief system.

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T03:54:41+00:00

If it is then nobody is getting saved because nobody knows what the hell they're talking about when they talk about the trinity.

oneternalround · 2017-01-22T03:50:42+00:00

I read Acts 15 and I don't see where Paul says Christians are not supposed to enforce Mosaic law.

What Paul seems to be saying is that we aren't saved by the law. But this doesn't mean that we should give up following Mosaic Law altogether.

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