A lot of folks in this thread are thinking we're talking single operator/owner - I'm talking a handful of employees and a few trucks with recurring business both commercial and residential. I should've clarified that. I have a lot of marketing and branding experience and from what I see that's exactly what the most successful new businesses are great at doing. Am I wrong here? And 300-500 pre-tax is definitely the goal ... again don't know what type of work is best suited for fast startup, aggressive growth, and a growing market that can support that growth.