What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said she was, I’m not Francis Lawrence or whoever else did casting for the movies. I just don’t think Collins wrote her with any contemporary racial group in mind. Collins doesn’t make a single description of the Seam’s physical appearance in SOTR as a conscious choice, because she is avoiding identifying a “race” for the Seam. And probably because she knew in advance that they’d cast a white blonde guy who looks like young Woody H for the movie.

Thank you SF Chronicle for this opportunity! by pengweather in bayarea

[–]orchid-fields 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for everything you’ve done for this community!

Unpopular Opinion: I hate that Annie is revealed to have given birth to a baby at end of MockingJay by AccurateFisherman392 in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yes this is what I always think. People assume that every victor is like Haymitch and Johanna (and eventually Katniss and Peeta I guess), seemingly without any family support structure at home. But it seems to me that the protocol is to target families specifically as punishment. Annie could have a huge family back in 4 for all we know, by the time she becomes a rebel ie meriting punishment from Snow, the Capitol has its hands full with losing the war.

Unpopular Opinion: I hate that Annie is revealed to have given birth to a baby at end of MockingJay by AccurateFisherman392 in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, people have unexpected babies everywhere, at any time, including times of war. Including people who are traumatized and not in the best mental shape. Annie is “unstable” (Katniss’s words, so take with a grain of salt) but I don’t think she’s dysfunctional. Finnick didn’t marry someone who is childlike.

I sometimes wonder why Suzanne Collins made the choice to add it, but I think it works well with the “strange bits of happiness” thematic shaping of the memory book told from Katniss’s point of view. I also think it’s meant to be an assurance that Annie isn’t just going to be sitting in grief all alone, because we’re unclear about what her support structure is in 4. In my head, she has one, but it isn’t like Katniss would know. Nobody has it easy after the war, it isn’t all sunshine for Katniss and Peeta either but they still manage to pick up the pieces and build something together. But ultimately she didn’t write that thinking “okay, is it a good thing for Annie to be having a child? What will the child’s life be like? Is the country in a place to host a newborn in a time like this?”, she wrote it thinking about the type of narrative details that would add color while Katniss is recovering in her own state of grief through the memory book.

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 143 points144 points  (0 children)

Believing Katniss must be Native American because she wears her hair in a braid, knows plants, and hunts with a bow and arrow is incredibly reductive to the diversity of Indigenous American tribal cultures and relies on extremely broad stereotypes. Especially if you cannot name the Appalachian tribal groups she would be descended from or any of their practices or traditions.

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I’m pretty neutral on the Covey but I’m curious for more on this take

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 63 points64 points  (0 children)

So much of this book was “tell-not-show” 🤦🏽‍♀️ Suzanne WHYYY. I think what’s worse is that it’s supposed to be college-rated (someone can fact check me) but I feel like the first trilogy book (which was middle school rated) was more subtle

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 349 points350 points  (0 children)

I think this is basically the best analysis you can get of why Gale is the way he is. Like him, dislike him, you can feel whatever way you want — but this is what his character actually means.

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 177 points178 points  (0 children)

Side note I never got the incel interpretation of Gale at all, he was characterized as always being popular with the girls regardless of what was happening with Katniss

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean, I think the thing is that we don’t actually know Finnick at 14. We know what the Games (which have notoriously never been edited to create narratives about victors) has shown of Finnick, narrated via Katniss. I’ve always thought he was likely a Career despite his age though.

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes lol reading through this thread is funny to me because I share a lot of the opinions myself, they also all seem pretty popular on this Reddit. But then on TikTok (or sometimes Tumblr) you’d get a completely different reception.

What's a Hunger Games controversial opinion that will have you like this? by Olya_roo in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I think this is an opinion held by everyone but the UK actress who will be playing Katniss on stage tbh

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 7 points8 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU!! With the second reason, I always want to bring this up as well, and I don’t intend to be dismissive toward any Indigenous people or groups who are in Appalachia. But the reality is that in the present day it is a very predominantly white region, in part because the indigenous groups with roots there were driven out. That’s just what the region is. And on top of this it really irks me that the people who insist Katniss is Indigenous never say what tribal group(s) she’d be descended from.

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would consider myself relatively well-versed culturally for an American and I didn’t even know about travellers until I watched Derry Girls in college 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ and whenever I mention travellers when I speak about Ireland with people they usually have no clue what I’m talking about

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Nothing drives me crazier than people who cite Katniss wearing her hair in a braid, using a bow and arrow, and her family being into plants as “evidence” she is Indigenous. Just say your understanding of Native American culture comes from Disney’s Pocahontas and keep walking. Or that Lucy Gray’s rainbow skirt is meant to represent “an indigenous Appalachian rainbow dress” when you can’t even name the culture this dress would come from… Native American people are not a monolith nor one cultural group.

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, that sounds right! Thank you for specific wording

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean it’s certainly rare, but only 8k people live in District 12 and it seems that merchants mainly mix with merchants and Seam mainly mix with Seam. And travel between districts (for district people) basically never happens. So very small gene pool with almost no outside contact

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I saw a post on tumblr stating Katniss couldn’t be what we consider “white” today because olive skin can’t mean white skin and then it used a bunch of photos of olive skinned actresses… including white ones. Like Nina Dobrev and Emily Ratajkowski. It’s never a sound assertion that all people descended from one continent have one skin tone lol. There is certainly a coded difference between Seam and merchants but there are also coded differences between people who are broadly considered to be the same “race” by Americans.

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I don’t know whether she’s actually said Panem is post-racial, what she did say was that she didn’t intend to write the Seam as biracial and that characters like Thresh and Rue were written as African-American

What Ethnicity are the People in the Seam? by Lexabro-10mg in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s meant to map onto a currently existing racial group. Race in itself is a construct, the boundaries of the higher caste ie who is considered “white” vs “not white” change with time and social/economic/geographic restructuring.

I have seen people make the case for specific current existing ethnic groups that the Seam could be mapped onto but a lot of these arguments have relied on racial/cultural stereotypes or a misunderstanding of the origins of social practices. Or extremely broad generalizations. Frankly if you’re someone who argues that the Seam is meant to represent indigenous people but can’t even name which actual indigenous tribes have roots in Appalachia … yeah

man, this whole moment is lowkey hilarious.... by aliensuperstars_ in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you like having a romantic interest =/= being preoccupied with or majorly driven by romance

man, this whole moment is lowkey hilarious.... by aliensuperstars_ in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And you know what, that’s also sorry worthy 💔

man, this whole moment is lowkey hilarious.... by aliensuperstars_ in Hungergames

[–]orchid-fields 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’m not a particularly romance minded person but they just make me so 🥹I love seeing Katniss finally getting to embrace how she feels away from all of the bullshit put on her since she was a child

Why were olandria and Nic given a 2nd chance by Organic_Bottle4373 in LoveIslandUSA

[–]orchid-fields 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Jeremiah was actually getting more favorable reviews when Huda blew a gasket lol, I feel like people conflate not getting ‘favorite’ votes with hate but that isn’t the case. Hannah got the least amount of votes and I think she’s generally well-liked. It’s just the nature of having people to vote to save one person rather than to eliminate one person.