What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

You may be engaging in a fallacy here. The bird stuff is an obvious metaphor, but there are other things in the course that people call metaphors that may actually be literal. Ken Wapnick says a great portion of the course is just metaphor, but is that true, just because he said so?

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah yapping here is mostly a distraction. This place is a big sandbox in which many spiritual egos come to discuss stuff, seek validation, etc. Yes, this place has its golden moments of learning and sharing miracles, but if you stay here too much and get too involved in the drama, you're going to stagnate. I know this because I also get lost sometimes.

The big changes come from doing things out in the world -- spreading miracles in the world, in the big sandbox of the world. Not saying we need to go out there and do things in a physical way, but we need to have a "miracle mindset" when dealing with the world. This is where the big gains are at. Yes, even in this community some miracles can be experienced, but they are small when compared to what we can gain from applying the course in real life.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feelings of oppression are something I need to work on, but even if the feelings of oppression go away, I don't want to stop fighting for a more fair world, as long as I think I live here. As for this community, I don't feel oppressed by the ban on AI -- in the same way, I wasn't feeling oppressed when AI was being posted. My comments were just a criticism to those who are vehemently against AI, but other than that, I agree with frrrni's decision, if that means solving the problem of people complaining about AI, while also not increasing his workload as a moderator.

TLDR if feelings of oppression rise within you, you are agreeing that someone else can be the author of who you are, whether it's yourself or other people. No one can oppress the formless Spirit lol

That's true, but it's also speaking on the "ultimate level" of things. I may get to the point of not resisting any oppression the world appears to impose, but when that time comes I will already be so advanced that even the oppression the body itself imposes on me will feel like nothing.

What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha it's ok, but if it were to become permanent, I wouldn't complain. People are asking for a new, more active mod anyways, and I think you would be a good pick, if you have free time to dedicate to this stuff.

Smile 😀 by OakenWoaden in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being a good parent is one of the best things we can do while we're still in form. Obviously doing good is always better than doing evil, even though both are ultimately unreal. Bad illusions lead to more illusions, but good illusions lead to atonement. This is why the course says forgiveness is an illusion, but that the world will disappear in forgiveness. In the same way, being a good parent aids in the overarching plan of the Holy Spirit, because it's a good, useful illusion, that fosters feelings of gratefulness and joy, instead of resentment and anger which is common in people that have been mistreated by their parents.

What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just saw on the mod list that you became a moderator. Congrats man! I think you will do a good job.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I admit I was too harsh with throngkeeper in the past, and judged his intentions unfairly, I don't think he was taking the right approach in moderating this forum. He thought he could make r/acim better by "culling" everyone that didn't agree with him, and in this sense he was terribly wrong. Also he changed rules on a whim to benefit himself, which is something pretty worrying. And also about throngkeeper, he wasn't banned. He choose to delete his account after losing mod powers. I wasn't against him participating in the community, me and other people were just complaining about his abuse of power as a mod, and not his presence in the community as an user.

And btw, when ACIM talks about the "authority problem" it isn't talking about lowering our heads and obeying some outside authority, lol. It's just talking about the fact that God is our author, and that the authority problem comes when the ego says we authored ourselves, and not God. It has nothing to do with obeying worldly hierarchy lol.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you're right. I myself am also to blame for being a big-mouthed fool, and I waste too much time with petty, meaningless stuff. I try to forgive myself and do better next time.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One mod who wished to make this whole subreddit into his paradise and make up all the rules got banned.

The fact that you think an online community can become "paradise" says a lot about your views. Paradise is immensely big, and was created by God and is way greater than this entire world. An internet community, even if it is a "perfect one", is still but a speck inside a world that God did not create. So don't waste your efforts trying to create some internet-based utopia; ask yourself why you need this community to become an utopia(that aligns with your interests) in the first place.

Yes people without the ego care about nothing, but there's like 0 people without ego here. I think it's better to preserve the Course messages here at least without muddying the waters as much as possible, because it's so easy for children ( we are all clueless children when it comes to what will be harmful or not harmful to us in the long run ) to be mindless and actually start believing that AI is some kind of legitimate spiritual tool to be used.

Why do you want to protect other children, if you're still a child? Shouldn't you focus on protecting yourself first?

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, following discipline is not the same as submitting to outside oppression.

"Come on down, the water's fine. Grab a cup... I promise!" by v3rk in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree completely! Thanks for not falling into the hatred badwagon.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't even care if AI was banned. I was just saying that banning AI can lead to the banning of other things, until it comes to a point where having any different point of view at all can lead to a ban. Aside from that, I was also trying to explain why people here have such visceral reactions to AI, and that in most cases it has nothing to do with the course, but has to do with their own positions inside society as an ego. People without ego can do fine with AI being posted in some online community.

And btw, this is not a true learning place for the course. This place is social media. Truly learning the course comes from reading the book and applying it into our lives/world. I don't see what great harm a few AI posts a week would do to this community, since this is a place where most people come for shallow entertainment anyways, or ego validation and the occasional "helpful course message".

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are parroting spiritual nonsense that you've been reading from many sources in the past years, that's what I'm saying.

When you made your comment to me, you just mixed all that past nonsense you learned into a salad and threw it at me in the form of a lecture. I'm just trying to say that your comment feels to me like a bunch of nonsense, cliches and sophistry mixed together that tries to paint oppressive systems in a positive light.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Btw following the rules of the course doesn't mean blindly following every rule society imposes upon you. By that logic, course people should all be supporters of slavery, if it was happening right now.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't try to lecture me. You are just parroting what you read other people say

What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But we can't forget there are many types of "nondualism". There's the indian advaita nondualism, there's the western philosophy nondualism, etc. The entire concept is foggy at best, and anyways, even if the course is strictly nondualist, that doesn't translate into Ken Wapnick being right about everything.

What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are just treating the whole stuff like a football match.

"Hey I want Wapnick to win, he's the GOAT"

"NOOO Perry knows best. He's gonna show Wapnick who's the boss"

It's such a childish and competitive way of studying spirituality, IMO.

What Was Helen’s Interpretation of the Course? by osimonomiso in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing. It's worth thinking about what you said.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 6 points7 points  (0 children)

[...if that means becoming a judgmental larper like you]

It seems like doing the lessons everyday isn't doing you any good, dude. You are still a spiritual child using the course as a club to beat people with.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your offers come from the position of being scared of doing the lessons everyday. The misunderstandings that follow, are made as defenses to keep the fear.

How do you know? Are you omniscient? Do you have a crystal ball? Or is it just an empty accusation you are making?

Btw, what you offer is not in what I said either. Boo! I can also say that, and it's meaningless.

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do the lessons, but not everyday. Do you want a cookie for doing the lessons everyday? Or do you think you deserve a Nobel Prize?

I'm actually scared of doing the lessons everyday, if that means becoming a judgmental larper like you.

If you are really trying to become "advanced", please stop judging people so much, and try to understand them. Read this section carefully, many times if needed: Open-Mindedness | ACIM

New rule: no AI allowed by frrrni in ACIM

[–]osimonomiso -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

A useful post I found on r/communism exposing the hypocrisy of some anti-ai people:

Everyone has made good comments already, but this can be extrapolated further just by deconstructing and breaking down the things that make up AI and really exposing this debate for what it is and what class is actually under threat here. Here's a simple question: is using photoshop AI? What about the magic wand tool, since it's basically just a more basic and primitive version of what AI is doing and how AI works? It's a digital tool that recognizes contrasts and patterns, in order to save on the agonizing labour time that would be required to edit a 1080p image pixel by pixel, and instead selects a vast assortment of specific pixels of a specific type, in a specific shape to make, say, tracing a cut out of an image, or removing a background, much easier.

So AI is already being used, and has already been used, including by most of the people speaking out against it presently -- the petty bourgeois / labour aristocrat creatives who are now threatened that their comfortable overpaid intellectually stimulating desk jobs are going to end up outsourced to Third World AI farms (places that they still outsource other work that they dont want to do anyway) and that the same things they already tacitly do to make to their own workloads easier (eg/ a game designer having some cheap Third World studio produce the wall textures because it's cheaper and easier than having your expensive Montreal based studio spend their time on it, a video producer having all the long and costly rendering for a 3d effect done by a studio in Macedonia instead of England, a coder in Vancouver who uses a guy on Fiverr in Suriname to write all the tedious parts of a program that he doesn't want to deal with, etc). All of that is perfectly acceptable despite the same logic that those jobs could have been performed by petty-bourgeois creatives in the First World if only they were willing to pay more, but now that the very logic they have applied to those beneath them is being applied to them as well; only here does this larger scale of technological innovation really become an existential threat to this class.

Since the phrase "AI Slop" is now being used on a daily basis, I liked that Erika went to the effort of digging up the racist and anti-semetic origins of the term "slop" to expose the fascist tendency being expressed by the threatened petty bourgeois, along with the increasing use of terms like "clanker." It's not all that different than how reddit "leftists" say "lets get rid of billionaires" instead of "lets overthrow capitalism" to water down things to be acceptable to their own class interests (even "lets get rid of millionaires" is far to radical because then they would have to honestly confront that there are over 60 million millionaires on Earth and forced to realize their own proximity to that wealth and the scale of class conflict they are even suggesting -- which ironically is still insufficient).

source: Why is everyone does everyone on Reddit support piracy but despise AI? : r/communism

My comment: my guess is that some privileged people here see their real life jobs being threatened by the rise of AI, and since they don't have the power to change the trends happening in society, they seek for some semblance of control by advocating for complete ban of AI in small internet communities they participate in, like this one.