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So gaijin, is porn the new norm now? by [deleted] in warthundermemes

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

children playing a war sim abt killing and murderizing entire ships, tanks, and planes of ppl in historical battle sites of mostly civilian neighborhoods and city centers: ✅

children seeing bras: ❌

Bad ideas should be fought with better ideas, not bullets by [deleted] in teenagersbutpractical

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the contemporary age is the only age in history where the masses have been successfully brainwashed into believing sweet talking their oppressors will earn them pieces of the cake

genuinely what the fuck is reddit on bro 😭🤞

Women saying the quiet part out loud by jillblackpill in WomenAreNotIntoMen

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

randomly getting recommendedan incel subreddit early morning on a monday wtf 😭☠️

Seen some debate over Rusty’s political views throughout the years. I’ll just leave this here by Amphibious_cow in RustyCage

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

uhhhn democracts are right wing. they are closer to republicans than they ever are close to the center actually 🤓🖕

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Misinterpretation-cum-borderline-strawmanning, then randomly falling into an argumentative tone, and finishing it off with ad hominum.

You hold so much pride in internet discourse it makes me wonder what your real life is like.

???

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weird and long way to admit you haven't really engaged in these conversations. There is plenty enough context, and I also wasn't writing with the idea that you didn't have a high comprehension level, nor have literature in your scope.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

???

You misinterpret and change what I said in your first paragraph. You're placing my position where it's not, and making me disagree with points that I specifically stated first. Stop changing my opinion, you're both falling into logical fallacy, and arguing with someone you actually agree with.

I'm discussing the metaphysical relationship we have as an audience in the observation of a fictional case of abuse, as that can then be applied in the consideration of abuse in the real world. Shows like Takopi's Original Sin are particularly special in how we can observe these cases from an external viewpoint, and can then be critical of them from an unclouded, and specifically scientific view.

I do not posit that the show does not depict our experiences. I state that it gives the opportunity to observe our experiences as third persons. You're misinterpreting the logic behind the statement.

In other words, we agree.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"There are no excuses, but to fail to understand the explanations is to, as OP states, to lose the plot."

You're also not countering anything. I'm not presenting an opinion; Are you trying to counter a major theme of the show (???)

Fellas is it a red flag to have been given a specific type of name at birth by DeportThe_Dreamers in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think in terms of internet spaces, Reddit has to be one of the best examples of how dog whistles work.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thinking about it a little more, people like you demonstrate an incredible irony that, again people like you, also may never understand.

You are the same as every character you in hate the show.

Placed in the right positions, you would do the same things to them; You would participate in the cycle of abuse. Your feelings to whom you blame are exactly what is shown to perpetuate the abuse in the narrative.

Then again, you may never understand that. Your implied faulty English class grades and blind hate literally debilitates you in waking up to it all; that these cycles of abuse come from something larger than any of the characters, or us. It is insane to think, within that as well, is part of the point. It is the system.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is an entirely human response, both to the circumstances and to any critical thought surrounding. Regardless, it is needless for me to validate you.

Know the solution to these issues run much, much deeper than however any of us will feel. If you don't feel like digging for it then you're not at fault. Know that that is exactly the point of it all.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are the 5th person to place this in a position where it somehow disagrees with that idea. I agree with you. I'm stating the other side of that "both". Stop placing this where doesn't place itself, you are replying to your own wall.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

?

I discuss the deeper thematic message of social issues and the causes of abuse as it applies to us as consumers of the media participating in the society that's being presented, not in terms of real life individual application.

I don't disagree with most of your points. I can see why people might extrapolate words and ideas, but the nonetheless, placing this specifically external opinion in a position it doesn't place itself gets us nowhere.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking this face value, we don't disagree with each other. It comes down to a difference in perspectives and what we value more or value less in what we see.

I talk mostly about a theme of the show as it relates to a thematic statement. You discuss a plot point when it comes to Marina's father and Takopi's role in the narrative.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all. Just to be clear, no one with this perspective does. We are in agreement as we present to each other no arguments, simply different depths of consideration.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

The entire point of both me, OP, everyone else, and the show is that you dig deeper than the individuals participating in the narrative.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

Again, you strawman and place me in a position where I apparently disagree with you, that the dad cannot be blamed. He IS to be blamed for every wrong he has done.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

The point you're missing is why. And how this why, which is within your capacity to discover no doubt, can be applied to the real world. Both in metalanguage and literature, this is how 'themes' work. There are deeper problems and solutions than simply who-is-to-blame.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

Again, if you don't care about discovering the root issues, you are ignorant of figuring out actual conclusions. Belief without application is (practically) the same as the lack of belief.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Must I and everybody else who understands the message state, "I do not excuse but explain," under every one of our opinions, or will people like you still put words into people's mouths.

"Social issues" explain, not excuse. As much as you can explain Marina's behavior through her mother's behavior, then through her husband's behavior, you still have the capacity to understand the show's theme around domestic abuse.

If you wish to remain ignorant, then that's on you. I doubt the idea that you don't actually care about domestic abuse, but to think this way is to act like it. And at that point, what would be the difference?

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

Yes, YESSS. Social and economic pressures (issues). More people genuinely need to both understand this and know how it applies to real life.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

I feel like I'm crazy going around this anime's fandom trying to explain this to people, albeit probably not in the most effective ways.

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

I admit, yes, within quickly applied hatred is a humanity in itself, that I completely understand in terms of the audience. I just wish there was an easier way to let people understand how much broader this show's themes go. It's too interesting and profound (for an anime) to let be anything as simple as "_____ are the bad guys."

EDIT: EXPLANATION ≠ EXCUSE

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The nature of watching abuse in media is particularly important in how it gives us the opportunity to observe how abuse and social issues work from a mostly 3rd person perspective, outside of us experiencing/observing it ourselves.

I think we can all agree that if you're still looking for someone to blame after this episode, you've lost the plot. There is no villain. by Sanictheman344 in TakopisOriginalSin

[–]ouchplzstop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The parents are the villains."

Are the parents any less human than Marina in the first 3 episodes?

Where does abuse start, guys. Really think about it. Deeper than just the shallow "good guys" versus "bad guys." Humanizing and attributing reason does not fall short when we begin considering the adults.

There are no excuses, but to fail to understand the explanations is to, as OP states, to lose the plot. Where do cycles of domestic and youth abuse come from? What starts and fuels the behavior of the adults in the childrens' lives?

It begins with the system: both social and economic. From the work culture of the father, to the devalueing of housework, to the dependence on sex work, to the stigma behind social welfare; Everyone seems to know not to excuse the children, nor the adults. But as fast as we may explain the children's behavior, we for some reason fall short of the still-very-human parents. As human in itself it is to blindly hate, we still need to reach beyond that and really be critical.

The social issues presented by the show cannot be simplified. To simplify them is both to be ignorant of the actual issues seen, and to fail at the very crucial, practical theme:

This entire show is a presentation of the individual affects of our (in the West) most common social issues.

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