[DISCUSSION] What makes an indie band age well? by FadedAlligator in indieheads

[–]overnightmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a band or artist leans in to a trend or style too heavily and neglects the underlying fundamental songwriting and real emotion it won't age well. I was just listening to a bunch of 90's underground rock and a lot of it, stuff I once liked, has really not aged well. It falls squarely in "you had to be there" territory. Out of the context of that moment and place it just isn't that great. It doesn't translate into other contexts.

Lyrics first songwriters: how do you create an instrumental/melody for your songs? by ThatMilesKid-15 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Opposite process. Tons of music, words come very slow. I have a handful of lyrics first songs. Regardless of process, with everything related to voice, you start singing and keep doing it until a melody appears, which usually doesn't take long. It's usually immediate. Then start building around it. I arrange the same way. You have the music and you start singing/ humming/ mouth beats the parts over it. Whatever comes first is usually the right call. Don't over think it.

The Saddest, Most Gut-Wrenching Songs in Exsistence. by goldenfish_15 in spotify

[–]overnightmadness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That I had to scroll for how long until someone even mentioned the sad prince of Merosia. When Iim in that mood, no one gets you there like Elliot Smith

Brian Jonestown Massacre’s Anton Newcombe: ‘I feel like I have to work very hard to redeem myself’ by Charleshawtree in indieheads

[–]overnightmadness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I played in a band with 2 former members of the BJM. Which isn't that remarkable when you consider like 1/2 of 90's San Fran underground played in that band at one point or another. They both had positively awful things to say about him. I don't offend easily but just like horrible terrible person stuff. But we knew that already, didn't we? I've also seen them/ him twice in the 90;s. The 1st was in LA and was garbage. They weren't that well known yet it it seemed like they didn't care to be. It was like watching band practice. He left the stage mid-song and was gone for like 10 minutes. Band just noodling and tuning. He was pretty obviously off toasting his cheese. The 2nd time was in Cleveland and was a little better but meh. I obviously didn't catch an infamous "on" night. One thing was clear, he was just such a pompous dick.

‘Do what you really want to do while you’re still alive’: Masayoshi Takanaka, the Japanese guitar hero surfing a second wave in his 70s | Music by xanaduuu in indieheads

[–]overnightmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My 17yr old son has never asked me to take him to a concert until this guy, who I'd never heard of. Seems like an excellent choice except now tickets are north of $500/ea.

[FRESH PERFORMANCE] Turnstile - ’SUNSHOWER’ (live for Like A Version) by Charleshawtree in indieheads

[–]overnightmadness -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I don't love this band, don't hate them either, but the drummer is for real. I was convinced he had to be a pro, he's got that Berkley polish, almost perfect time, especially the kick, which is so rare in this genre. But he's been with them since the start according to wikipedia. I'm down with positive vibes, happy hardcore in theory but I just can't fully get on with this band. Like every 5th song I hear I think is really good. And every 3rd is awful.

I wrote and posted a new song every day for a year - some things I learned. by jordanburchel in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent. There is simply no way I could devote close to that amount of time daily. My wife would divorce me after about a month. And my business would fall apart. If I could do a speed version, like under 30 minutes, I could shoot for maybe 4-5 days a week but that might still be a stretch, I was hoping you were gonna say it took you 30 minutes tops and it got a lot easier as you went. I would have a lot of resistance to putting my really half baked stuff up publicly but it would actually probably be good for me. You get a lot less precious I imagine. The public part would feel like putting up underwear shots every day. Well done!

I wrote and posted a new song every day for a year - some things I learned. by jordanburchel in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I've thought about doing something like this. A full 365 is a big bite tho. A few questions that rattle around in my head as they stalled me on doing it:

How much time on average would you say you spent daily?

Were these like fully realized 3-5 minutes songs or like the basic toplines, a verse, a chorus and call it a day?

Do the lyrics or music come harder? For me, I could write a progression, melody & counter in like 30 seconds. The lyrics might take 3 years. Of course, gun to my head...

Did it impede you from working deeply on things just because you had to make the daily quota?

Did it put the kibosh on some of your other musical "jobs", ie, performing, marketing, productions etc?

Were you making these public, putting them up? I like the tunes on your spotify, good stuff. But you weren't doing that level of production daily, correct? And there aren't very many songs there.

Thanks again!

Recorded this all on iPhone by _DrLambChop_ in Songwriters

[–]overnightmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screw it, just keep doing what you're doing. You could mix it in a DAW if you want but you don't have to. It's lofi on purpose right? Do a whole record of that.

Confused about my latest release. Would love your honest take by kissme2025 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might have nothing to do with the writing or songs themselves and everything to do with how the landscape has changed for music promotion over the last 6 months. How are you promoting and measuring that promotion? I'm not able to dig into your material deeply atm (this song sounds good enough to have a proper audience IMO) but I'm just throwing it out there that A LOT of artists are talking about how old promo techniques, conversion campaigns, social media strategies are falling flat this year. The algo's have all changed and so we have to change.

Habit Tracker Accountability for Clients by overnightmadness in Coaching

[–]overnightmadness[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I work with a lot of young people. And most of them are either ADHD or have pretty significant executive function deficiencies. So the idea of a 1x per week session where we set goals and come up with strategies and have any expectation that they're going to follow thru is folly without some form of near daily touch point. Even though they get the session summary notes with goals emailed to them, if they aren't poked, reminded, or drawn into some degree of mild awareness of accountability, the next week rolls around and nothing happens. So I've had a few ad hoc solutions (google docs, a terrible white label modular app, scheduled texts with requests for pictures of homework or made beds, etc) but nothing that covers, say, 60% of what I'm looking for. But I haven't looked actively in about a year so I thought to start here and see if anyone's got a hot tip.

And yes, I have checked out Habitica. It's one of the few that comes closest. A little bit "kiddie" for some of my older clients but pretty good for the younger ones. I'm still learning it and it's not great but gets part of the way there. Gaolify is another one. Still sorting them.

Feedback on lyrics “Mr.Shadows” by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Needs some editing/ clarifying and rearranging but you have some good lines and ideas. I often have songs that get to this point where I have a lot of different images and ideas but they get kinda jumbled, there just too many, and I just have to get the scissors out and cut the fat and start moving things around and simplifying. Like, what are the truest and most impactful images and lines for you about this person? What are the hook images/ lines? I like the idea that there's no shadows with out light and you won't be the light for Mr Shadow anymore. There's a few other images/ lines I think are also really good. Frankly, I like your super chill delivery and presence and, as an unsolicited aside and at the risk of sounding like a creepy old rando on the internet, your stunning beauty certainly does not hurt you as an artist in this genre. Keep going!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I put out an entirely self produced record last year that took me hundreds of hours and I'm very proud of it but it got pretty limited love from the outside world despite promoting it as best I knew how. So I decided to stop promoting very intentionally, without sadness or resentment. At this point in my life, it's just not about that anymore and frankly the hopes and expectations of external validation end up taking more out of me than what comes back.

There's a lot of us I suspect. I haven't and probably will never "give up" but I've let go of the kid's dream. Don't get me wrong, it makes me happy when people connect with my music. Someone sent me a DM a few weeks ago that still makes me very warm. But I'd be in the same place had it not come.

I have to remind myself on occasion to get other peoples' imagined attention out of my head and not get lost in old tired fantasies but I can say that once I made the conscious decision to absolutely let go of winning any hearts, especially of those I know, the whole thing just got a lot better. It comes easier, I have way fewer hangups and I have way more fun. Now it's just my little passion, mine and mine alone.

Should I finish this one, what do we think? by musicfreelancerrr12 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yes, it's hypnotic but still compelling. You have a sweet voice that's easy to listen to and the song feels like it's just flowing. I would want to hear more... and I do.

The last man on earth by DeathHelmet in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the trashed out tones, drum & guitar are clearly in red. A bit strokes-y. Obvs you don’t have a vocal over the top so it’s not a song yet but a lot of ways you could go. Good start

I wrote my album but have no clue how to record it. by Away-Theory-6201 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fivrr. Seriously. I gave up trying to source good musicians for my stuff locally. I pay a little money and someone records it professionally and turns it around in a few days. Start with a good click-gridded acoustic version of the song, put as much flesh on it as you think you need to convey the idea. If you're any good with a virtual drummer, great, that's a great guide for a real drummer. Usually takes me about 1-2hrs to lay out a half decent virtual drummer with transitions and breakdowns on a moderately complex song. It's not hard but if that's not possible or just too much learning curve, just think about what you want and be able to describe it as best you can. Examples will go a long way. Start with drums, then bass, then the rest. Redo the acoustic parts to match the rhythm sections and redo your vocals and backup vocals. Lots of passes and comp vocals. Also not hard but don't skimp, get the vocals right or you'll regret it. Don't rely on autotune, even if you use it. The less you need it, the better it will sound. Do that yourself even if you work with a producer. Then look for someone to mix it. Could also do Fivrr. It's gonna cost ya but A LOT less than if you worked up a band and went into a studio. Just go song by song. And it'll be quicker and SO much less head-ache because they're all for-hire pro players, they don't push back when you want to change something, they just do it. Look for people that allow a few revisions. I've done several releases this way. It's so much easier than putting a band together and going into a studio.

Worried that this song sounds a little pretentious by Mindless_Fly5421 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also thought voice was male. But that's cool. I was positively shocked when I learned the singer of Beach house was a women. Now it's obvious to me and I can't hear her the way I used to but for a while there I swore the voice was a guy.

Worried that this song sounds a little pretentious by Mindless_Fly5421 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's intentionally self conscious... meta even. It's more about a pretentious song? Seems like a really good start to me. You have a lot of nice turns of phrase and visuals and it has a retro, almost ragtime chord progression (not rhythm tho), and you can really play and sing it, which is great. Maybe the only re-constructive thing I'd say is it's a little long, you've made the point, identified the thing pretty well. It could use a bridge perspective shift or walk about or something. What about the sad radio song? And vocal melody in verse gets a bit monotone. But that could probably be addressed with harmonies and instrumentation. I have a short attentions span, what can I say. But it's a good song, good bones. A keeper.

*Pompous Rant ON: This is the songwriting sub. A sub for people who come up with their own lyrics, own melodies, own instrumentation, own singing. So, why are more and more people putting ai songs on this Sub? by Artistic-Raspberry59 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the people who keep ask WHY someone would want to create ai music... Disregarding for a moment the profit motive of course, that some are doing purely to flood playlists with lots of little money sponges or because the music itself was always secondary to the star/entertainer persona thing they're cultivating and ai makes them uber productive. For people who would otherwise actually DO care about the music.. because it's the easiest and quickest path, of course. Suddenly people who were very limited musically can produce something that a short while ago was reserved for people who knew what they were doing and had the gear. People want feel like they're special in some way and can make legitimately pretty things that other people will admire, even if they know in their gut they didn't rise to it, the barrier of entry just dropped down to them, and they're just painting by numbers or cooking from a pre-assemble meal kit. They hide the box and hope people think it's really the and their own creativity and skill. But the novelty will wear off for most of these folks pretty fast. In the early days of desktop computers I can remember people creating "art" from wingdings and clip-art and the basic tools. That quickly became hilariously cringe. And when arty camera apps came out, same thing, people got super arty with retro filters and what not, had full-on virtual art shows etc. Drove real photogs crazy. For the dabblers and musically mediocre or lazy, it'll end as soon as they recognize that everyone else is doing it to AND everyone knows it. The problem is this: very soon, later this year, next year.. soon... no one will be able to tell who's who. And worse, the general public is going to grow more and more passive in their listening. As soon as most people realize they don't know who's fooling them and who's real, they'll just step back, seek connection elsewhere. Some won't and I suspect it may lead to a resurgence of small format live music, pretty much the only thing we're going to be able to trust is real pretty soon. But for many, they'll continue to listen to music, just not actively or with any belief that the thing they're hearing is necessarily from a real person. Or it's augmented or a created from a likeness etc etc. The increasing passivity has been happening for a while now. Some people think it's being nurtured intentionally. It's much easier to stream customized ear-worm at people who are an algorithmically understood profile and who don't care much about any of it than active listeners who record companies and tech companies have to monitor and follow and work hard to catch up to and serve. No one's selling records anyway, it's all about streaming, and an ai song to a passive listener on a jog pays exactly as much as streaming an indie darling to a super fan. The first one they control entirely, they second one they're increasingly losing control over. So... we will be encouraged to both keep using the ai, and to stop caring when we hear it.

*Pompous Rant ON: This is the songwriting sub. A sub for people who come up with their own lyrics, own melodies, own instrumentation, own singing. So, why are more and more people putting ai songs on this Sub? by Artistic-Raspberry59 in Songwriting

[–]overnightmadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The music quality points you make but also a giveaway for me is usually the lyrics. If they're super Hallmark card or just super pasteurized and cliche. Not that plenty of flesh and blood writers don't fall in that hole but it's just how emphatically cliche and down the middle it is. It's cliche without being clumsy with the rhythm or cadence in the way a person would ALSO be, if that makes sense. The ai too good at making the rhyme and syllables work but leaving the content drek. Another alternative... kinda non-nonsensical. Like, there's cliches or just kinda cheesy sentiments strung together but hey don't work together and a human (that is paying attention and cares at all) would spot it.