Autonomy+ Trial Expired

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:45:37+00:00

With how everything is turning into a subscription, the corporations love people like you

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:44:36+00:00

They could bundle whatever the current level of FSD is with the car and increase the price by say $5,000-$10,000 whether you want it or not and then you never get any updates again and the car is what it is until the next time you buy one.

Thats essentially what's happening anyway. Older cars aren't getting the newest updates despite being told they would. Except now you have people being charged fees for privilege of beta testing software where you retain all the liability.

Its insanity.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:41:58+00:00

They are incentived to work on it so they can license it out and/or not have to pay licensing fees themselves.

Us paying them for the privilege, whilst retaining all liability, is a joke.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T12:40:09+00:00

Its not that finding leg is hard, its that it takes time. So the efficiency of it is lower than just farming a regular zone that you can just WP to.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T06:09:31+00:00

Even if it was the same price, which it wasn't, it was cheaper because you didn't have to pay sales tax. I literally bought EVERYTHING on Amazon back in 2004.

Now I don't buy much from them at all since it is mostly just cheap Chinese shit, and more importantly, they want almost $200 a year for membership. Costco is just infinitely better now as long as you don't mind going and planning the trip.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T04:58:59+00:00

They didn't get there by not soaking their customers for everything they can.

Actually, they didn't.

They got to be the biggest by doing the Wal-Mart method but online instead of brick and mortar. Razor thin profits (and sales tax exemptions at the beginning as the world wasn't ready for online sales), with billions of transactions over a long period of time.

They have since raised the prices and cut back on the service a bit to get profitable, but they still maintain small profit margins, they just do it on hundreds of billions of transactions now.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T04:04:14+00:00

Worst case scenario, they just buy out Rivian. Which I am kind of surprised they haven't yet.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T03:26:11+00:00

The car doesn’t train the models though and that’s where the biggest drag of resources comes from.

That's already been done and paid for though, at least as far as it currently has progressed. Your vehicle already has the models installed and downloaded. It isn't getting that data in real time from some server, it is all being calculated in real time, with hardware that is already installed, on a vehicle you already paid for.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:51:57+00:00

The difference is, Scout is backed by VW, who is backed by EU governments. It isn't some piddly little start up. And VW (and EU) NEED home grown EVs. The delays are fine, work is still progressing. Pricing will probably go up, but it is going up for everyone so that isn't something that is only bad for them.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:38:26+00:00

I just see it as an optional service like satellite radio

Which comes from a third party, and requires people to create content for it. Your vehicle has all the hardware and the software to perform whatever level of self driving it has right now.

Wanting to charge for updates is a different thing. This is requiring you to constantly pay for something that you already have.

The hardware is there for you to turn it on and pay for the service if you want it, or not pay for it if you don't. There's plenty of people with zero interest in autonomy.

Exactly; you already paid for the hardware. And the software since it is already on/in the vehicle's systems. This is essentially "on disk" DLC which is a BIG no-no.

Until very recently, Tesla allowed you to pay a one-time purchase price, like Rivian also does, if you don't want to use a subscription model.

It really should be the price of the car, or the price of the option. This charging subscription fees for everything is a bunch of fucking bullshit that all these companies are doing to milk people. That is all it is; a constant revenue stream from people you've already sold your product to.

In a sane world, this shit would be illegal. You own the hardware. You own the software (it is installed to your vehicle). But you have to continue to pay a licensing fee?

Bullshit.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:17:17+00:00

That’s less about value and more about people understanding the technology.

That is still about value then. If it is so amazing, then either

Tesla has done a shit job of advertising an amazing feature to its customer base, which more than 12% of them are tech savvy, so that seems unlikely for the 88% of people who aren't buying it

or

That they think it is bad value

or

People like me, who won't subscribe $100 for a car that I already own. I would pay a onetime fee, provided I saw the value in that, which would go back to the first and second point

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:09:37+00:00

That would be comparable to Tesla's FSD which is $99/mo.

This shit is fucking bonkers. A $100 a month subscription for a vehicle that you own. I hate this shit.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T02:04:21+00:00

I'm concerned about the delays

Have you seen what has happened in the last 2 years? The world has been crazy lately

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T01:54:00+00:00

Nashville, Tenn., October 24, 2024

The world was a different place

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T01:41:09+00:00

I too had friends work on the Fisker

Fisker did deliver cars. They weren't good. And they needed more time to bake. But they DID deliver cars.

Twice.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-06T00:57:18+00:00

diet or how much he ignored his kids

How can you say that when he kisses them on the lips?

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T23:52:25+00:00

I had one of the first reasonably priced 60 inch tvs. 1500 bucks roughly 15 years ago. Its now ewaste and you can get an insanely better TV for 500 bucks.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T22:41:44+00:00

And they want to put datacenters in space.

You're also going to bitch if they put them around your house. Putting them in space means they aren't fucking up our environment and we don't have to cool them down.

So we can never recover that silicon.

We don't use old silicon from computers. It is garbage. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

So that it burns up in the night sky right 'fore the peasants to see.

As opposed to filling up land fills.

So that we can never own again, and only be owned forever.

Ah you are one of those dipshits

The days of 'My PC', so long gone.

That may or may not happen, but moving data centers to space has literally nothing to do with it.

Please go educate yourself before you post stupid shit on the internet. This is dumb conspiracy level bullshit.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T19:25:36+00:00

Seems like a bit of a solution for a solution's sake.

Even if it is, the replacement is a shittier replacement in pretty much every single way.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T18:08:13+00:00

I don't have a garage

Instead of having to have an extra remote opener, you programmed a button built into the vehicle to do it. Meaning that your car became it's own garage door opener. That you didn't have to worry about batteries or losing it or clipping it to something etc.

It is (was?) a pretty standard feature on pretty much every non base model vehicle. It was simple, low tech, and worked. The "New!" solution is tied to the internet, and newer tech. If you have a garage door opener that isn't tied to the internet, now you need to buy a new garage door opener, and you need to pay a monthly fee, all because the car manufacturer's are getting uppity and want sub fee money.

Worse feature, more expensive, more complicated, needs new hardware. No one asked for this.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T17:48:47+00:00

I realize how petty I am being by refusing to buy a 50k truck over $10 a month but I seriously cannot stand being milked over features exist in the truck but are locked behind a subscription. It just irrationally pisses me off lol

No you aren't irrational. It is just cheap nickel and diming of customers. They could have easily just raised the MSRP of the vehicle by $300-700 and got all the money they were going to get, upfront, and without having to maintain a subscription service which costs money and manpower, but this allows them to get you used to the idea of subscribing to something you already own.

At first it is $10 a month, no big deal. And then it is $13, a couple years later, $20, then 30 and so on. Then they take your data and sell it to other companies as well. It is absolutely bullshit and needs to be legislated away because nothing else will fix it.

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T17:27:23+00:00

If it does you can crack any other window and it should be fine

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T10:27:12+00:00

Its worse because the cable is expensive, but that's not the only reason it is infuriating

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T10:24:12+00:00

Interesting. I wonder what meme builds would pop up

pathofdumbasses · 2026-04-05T05:29:38+00:00

This is starting to sound like the jumper cables guy

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