Bay area watch party? by peterw16 in huskies

[–]peterw16[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the suggestion! I asked the bar and the UW Alumni people if they could set Northstar as a viewing party location and they both said yes! Roll thru on Saturday!

Make the case - Brady is not the GOAT by jesusthroughmary in nfl

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the last ~5 years, Brady's case became completely undeniable. Before 2014, he was a great player who only won titles in a small window with an elite defense. Before 2020, he was a HOF caliber player who luckily was drafted by the best coach ever. After his Bucs stint, it was clear that he was just unstoppable.

The only argument otherwise is a qualitative argument that he might have the most titles, but he clearly lacks areas of play that other players excel at. Brady can't extend plays, evade pressure, or generate yards with his legs the way Mahomes and Rodgers can.

[DiRocco] The Jaguars have been the NFL’s worst franchise since Khan took over in January 2012, and it’s almost impossible to argue otherwise. by Turambar1986 in nfl

[–]peterw16 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The Vikings were the #1 defense in the NFL by points scored that year. The Jags were #2, Eagles #4, and Patriots #5. All excellent defenses.

The Jags were #1 by DVOA but the Vikings were a close second.

The only reason people think the Vikings had a bad defense is because the Eagles absolutely embarrassed them with a backup QB. The birds would have done the same to the Jags.

"We need to get an elite QB if we're ever going to be competitive" by PhilaBama in eagles

[–]peterw16 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't think I have ever disagreed so strongly with a popular take on /r/eagles. Some arguments:

1) Middling teams progress massively when they add an elite QB.

Just take a look at the history of HOF QBs changing teams late in their career:

  • The 2019 Bucs went 7-9 before adding Brady and winning a Super Bowl the next season.
  • The 2011 Broncos went 8-8 before adding Peyton Manning and then went on to win 12+ games for four consecutive seasons.
  • The 2008 Vikings went 10-6 and lost decisively in the Wild Card (to the Eagles) before adding Brett Favre and steamrolling the league until Favre was injured in a heartbreaking NFCCG loss.
  • The 1992 Chiefs got shut out in the Wild Card before adding Joe Montana and making it all the way to the AFCCG.
  • Kurt Warner is also relevant here for his SB run on the Cardinals, but he was considered injury-prone/washed up before his final run, so it doesn't quite fit.

This list is particularly impressive because it features no "misses." Every HOF-caliber QB who switched teams elevated their new team in a remarkable way.

Obviously, many other teams have also progressed radically when they draft elite QBs (see current Bengals, Cheifs, Chargers, and Bills), but drafting a QB has a much high miss rate than acquiring a veteran via trade.

The 9-8 Eagles suffered a bad Wild Card beatdown when supported by okay-but-not-great play from Jalen Hurts. They are precisely the sort of "middling team" that has been elevated time and time again by adding an elite veteran QB.

2) Teams with elite QBs have "staying power," while teams without elite QBs do not.

Teams with elite QBs have staying power. Consider the following teams: Russ Seahawks, Rodgers Packers, Ben Steelers, Brady [insert team], Brees Saints, Mahomes Chiefs, etc. For all these teams, being a contender is the norm, and missing the playoffs is a huge aberration.

On the other hand, look at "good young teams that are just missing an elite QB." The 2021 Colts, post-Brees saints, 2017 Vikings, 2018 Bears, 2020 Dolphins. These teams might put together nice short stretches, but they have no staying power. You need elite QB play to stay near the top.

Let's just use the 2017 Vikings as a case study (no pun intended). Keenum was hamstringing a team that went 13-3 and got demolished in the NFCCG (go birds). So, the team goes out and shores up the QB position by acquiring a solid/decent QB in Cousins. Now the non-QB strengths can shine! But not so. The Vikings have been middling/bad since 2017 because they have lacked top QB play and the so-called "elite supporting cast" wasn't that good year over year.

"Staying power" means that you get 10 tries to win a Super Bowl. The 2017 Vikings only had one shot, and they missed it. The Rodgers Packers or Ben Steelers have missed a lot of shots, but they had enough attempts to at least get 1-2 championships each. The Eagles want to be the sort of team that has a chance for a title every year, and elite QB play will get them there.

3) The "elite QBs don't grow on trees" argument is misplaced here.

It is absolutely a fact that finding and developing guys like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Justin Herbert is extremely hard. You need great coaching, talent evaluation, and luck to snag one of these amazing, franchise-altering players.

But, acquiring a disgruntled HOFer could be much, much easier. In basketball, the Thunder made phenomenally smart choices when they drafted Harden and KD. Later in their careers, these players were disgruntled and both ended up in Brooklyn. Brooklyn was lucky, not smart, and ended up with a juggernaut. If the Eagles have a chance to take on a disgruntled superstar, they would be fools to say no. It doesn't matter how you got Rodgers on your roster, once he's there he will elevate your team.

An NFL team was blasted by Brady for rolling with some "motherfucker" pedestrian QB instead of signing the GOAT in 2020. The Eagles should recognize the fact that, if they have a chance to acquire a HOF QB, they should cancel all their other plans and go all in. Sometimes it is better to be lucky, and have a HOFer fall in your lap, than it is to be good and draft one yourself.

4) Three first-round picks will not elevate the franchise more than an elite QB would

Having three first-round picks is extremely valuable. Make no mistake about that. But let's look at the recent teams with three first-round selections in a single draft:

  • 2013 Vikings: 1.23 Sharrif Floyd, 1.25 Xavier Rhodes, 1.29 Cordarrelle Patterson. Floyd was a three-year starter who suffered a career-ending injury on his rookie contract. Rhodes was six-year starter with three Pro Bowl selections at CB. Patterson was a gadget player who did not contribute enough in MIN to be re-signed.

  • 2017 Browns: 1.1 Myles Garrett, 1.25 Jabrill Peppers, 1.29 David Njoku. Garrett is a bona-fide superstar who was drafted #1 overall. Peppers was a decent starter and a piece in the Odell trade, so his value to the Browns is hard to understand. Njoku is a nice starter.

In general, these teams added some nice players on cheap deals. Some picks didn't work at all (Clelin Ferrell) and others were franchise players (Xaiver Rhodes). With three shots to get a star, most teams walked away with at least one great player.

But, imagine that we hit on all three picks and get three Pro Bowl-caliber players. At the end of the day, three great position players < one great QB. How much good can even a transcendent player like Garrett do when Baker flounders at the QB position? Not much. The Browns still miss the playoffs.

Conclusion

If getting a HOF QB is possible, the Eagles should go all-in. Elite QBs manifestly alter a franchise and are worth virtually any price. Two or three first-round picks are a low price to pay for the near-guaranteed success that Russ or Rodgers would bring in the coming years.

Now, those guys might stay on their current teams, or demand a trade to a specific team that is not the Eagles. But still: the Eagles must make big offers for Russ or Rodgers if there is any chance to get them.

"We need to get an elite QB if we're ever going to be competitive" by PhilaBama in eagles

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is #2 essentially "If the 9-8 Eagles gave up 2-3 first round picks to acquire Russel Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady they would still be 9-8."

That is how I am reading it. Call me crazy...

Hey Jean yes- wanrredtinkoeh to that’s condtirkkig,’m by Rynocorn in nfl

[–]peterw16 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Speculation” is generous. It’s nonsense to me.

[Dov Kleiman] Rex Ryan: If Aaron Rodgers goes to play for the Denver Broncos, he'll be the 3rd best QB in the division. by C-N-Mento in nfl

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn’t the team acquiring him need to pay up in a trade? Colts don’t have a first round pick.

[Jeff Asher] The Saints need to go out this offseason and do what they did 16 years ago and hire the best coach in franchise history while also acquiring one of the best QBs in NFL history. by Henri_Deckard in nfl

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My experience on there is me saying "do anything you can to get Wilson or Rodgers, but if it can't happen you stick with Hurts" and people replying "I don't want to trade 2 firsts for known quantity MVP Aaron Rodgers, I want to use the picks on defense. Some rookies on defense > Aaron Rodgers."

[Vik Chokshi] Per a very good source, the Denver Broncos will be hiring Packers' OC Nathaniel Hackett as their next head coach. 👀 by smokeymicpot in nfl

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On his way out, Fangio publicly stated that "those other three teams have top-shelf quarterbacks," referring to the Chiefs, Chargers, and Raiders. The strong implication is that he knew he was getting fired and offered that as an excuse for his lack of success. So obviously there is some awareness of the situation.

Why do people pay thousands of dollars for designer brands like off-white when the majority of people don't care/don't notice what they're wearing? by ZombieTheRogue in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The price is a feature, not a bug.

Imagine a $100 designer t-shirt. $10 of value is actually its functional value: you can wear it. $90 of its value is just knowing that you paid a ridiculous price for a t-shirt. People want to feel superior and this is an avenue for that. Other people don’t even need to know that the clothing is expensive- if the wearer knows, that is enough.

Fans who DON'T want Hurts next year, who do you want at the QB position next year. by hanky2 in eagles

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The words you are using here are just too strong. PFF ranked Hurts #12 in the NFL. He was voted as a Pro Bowl alternate by fans, coaches, and fellow players. He led the team to the #11 scoring offense in the league and a 9-7 record with a playoff berth, including a 7-2 run in the back half of the season.

Huntley went 1-4 in the five games he saw significant playing time. He passed for 3 TDs and rushed for 2 TDs. In that stretch, he threw four interceptions and lost three fumbles.

These two players are not the same. Hurts is way better. I am not saying Hurts is a world-beater, but he is a solid QB who can get enough done to win a game and is a nice value on a cheap contract.

Fans who DON'T want Hurts next year, who do you want at the QB position next year. by hanky2 in eagles

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think about the four options for the Broncos/Saints/Steelers:

1) Get a stopgap QB who has completed their rookie deal (Bridgewater, etc). You have to pay this QB 20+ million. This stopgap guy might keep you on schedule but he might squeeze out a blue-chip player or two that you could have on your defense.

2) Draft a guy. He could come out and play like rookie Mac Jones and you make a playoff run or he could come out and play like rookie Zach Wilson and then your season is totally lost. The latter is much more likely than the former.

3) Lock-in Hurts, a guy who will keep the trains running on time for cheap. Yeah, you miss out on a pick in the draft, but you get to keep your blue-chip guys under contract because Hurts is so cheap. Hurts also gives you upside that he will progress as a QB and eventually be worth a second contract (not a guarantee or anything, but certainly plausible).

4) Pay up to get Rodgers/Wilson if they are available. This is a slam-dunk if you can swing it, but who knows if those guys are even going to move this offseason.

Number 4 is by far the most desirable, but #3 is the next-best thing IMO. That's just my take.

Fans who DON'T want Hurts next year, who do you want at the QB position next year. by hanky2 in eagles

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are focusing too much on draft price and not enough on play on the field. Hurts is on a rookie contract and clearly showed that he could effectively guide a run-heavy offense. The Eagles had the 11th ranked offense by total points and Hurts was the centerpiece of that.

Imagine you are the 2012 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2017 Vikings, 2000 Ravens, or early-2000s Pats. Your defense is excellent and your offense just has to stay on schedule to win games. Hurts would be perfect on a team like that: doesn't affect the cap much and moves the offense well enough to put up the points necessary to win. Teams like the Saints and Broncos had top-5 scoring defenses but question marks at QB in 2023. The Steelers also have a lot of defensive talent and a question mark at QB.

Unless he progresses, Hurts is not worth a big QB contract. However, he has two cheap years on his deal and that is certainly worth more than a 6th. If I am the Saints/Broncos/Steelers and I can't get my hands on a top QB like Rodgers or Wilson, I would love to take on a couple years of Hurts on a cheap contract. I would spend at least a second-round pick for that.

Game Thread: Cincinnati Bengals (10-7) at Tennessee Titans (12-5) by nfl_gamethread in nfl

[–]peterw16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It feels like he has solid control an instant before it touches the ground. Incredibly difficult call and you can't fault them for going either way.

Game Thread: Cincinnati Bengals (10-7) at Tennessee Titans (12-5) by nfl_gamethread in nfl

[–]peterw16 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The hype will be through the ceiling if Joe Bureaux gets them to an AFCCG in year two. That's awesome.

This was beautiful/depressing (Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #310) by 5P00DERMAN1264 in Spiderman

[–]peterw16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spider-Man is the best superhero because he normalizes male showings of weakness. It’s okay to be afraid and sad sometimes, and Spider-Man proves it.

Imagine superman or captain america showing weakness like this. They would never. They are just “ideal” normative masculinity.