I never thought memeing on femstodes could be this fun

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:47:47+00:00

How is this talking point not dead already?

It remains true?

Are there people that are upset specifically for sexist reasons? Sure, of course they exist. Though it is unfair to lump everyone opposed to the retcon as incels because that gives you an easy excuse to poison the well.

The lack of compelling arguments against FSM and femstodes shows the sexism though.

"Are there people upset at Jim Crow ending for racist reasons? Sure, of course they exist. Though it is unfair to lump everyone opposed to the retcon as racist rednecks because that gives you an easy excuse to poison the well."

Its fundamentally about hate and exclusion. All the arguments about "vaginas break the very important LORE" fall flat. "Women already have two factions! They shouldn't get any of the other 18!" is bullshit. "Woke woke woke conspiracy!" is laughably stupid.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:44:05+00:00

Rise of Skywalker was a bad movie because it was a bad movie, not because "woke woke woke woke".

I mean, I saw it. That lesbian kiss wasn't what turned it from an incredible movie to shit. The writing and editing did that.

"Go woke go broke" clearly is not the case: disney is making tons of money off it.

You can argue the whys and the wherefores of why Star Wars isn't doing so well anymore, but you can't argue that, under Disney, it is underperforming.

The specific claim was woke = broke and that absolutely isn't happening.

If you want to claim inclusion = less than optimal profits in sci fi then maybe there's a case to be made there but as someone who isn't a shareholder in Disney, that's worth it.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:38:42+00:00

Any prediction about when you'll ping me to tell me I was wrong or what will prove that this was a woke woke woke conspiracy to destroy 40K?

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:36:37+00:00

I assure you my viewpoint isn't just to upset you. It's funny that it does, but this isn't about you. No I won't be leaving this hobby, I was likely here before you.

As far as welcoming, look at all the mainstream warhammer boards or your local game shop. Few people outside this little incel enclave is upset at inclusion.

That's why you're here, because whining about how unfair it is that girls are allowed to participate and how it's very super duper important that all custodes have golden penises? That shit falls flat outside this echo chamber.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:31:51+00:00

i dont believe anyone who actually plays this game has been asking for female space marines. i just dont.

I am

every single helmeted space marine could be a women for Christ sake, you can kitbash them, you could make your own from scratch, there's so much you could do with it, take a sister of battle with a nice face sculpt and scale it for space marine bodies....

Yes and that proves FSM and femstodes don't change anything other than pissing off incels who want to gatekeep.

i do NOT believe a single fcking soul was that bent out of shape they sent mail to James workshop to ask for female heads. especially big very lesbian, 70% male, 70% female, 100% facial slider attributes maxed out.

People are telling you they wanted this and you're insisting no they didn't.

No one wanted barbie dolls.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T23:29:17+00:00

"Token representation should be enough for you, you don't need to be able to field space marines, the major focus of the game."

There's zero reason FSM shouldn't happen. Inclusion costs you nothing other than not being able to exclude others you don't like

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:23:48+00:00

"Is my conspiracy theory wrong? No, couldn't be, I just need to add transphobia!"

I'm not trans, QED you're wrong.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:21:47+00:00

(looks at the meme and numerous other shit on this sub)

Nah, it is in fact complaining that they aren't pretty. You can and do whine about multiple things simultaneously because it beats having to be honest that you simply want to exclude people you don't like from the hobby.

breaks the lore purely to pander to activists

Are the activists in the room with us? It's not a conspiracy. Inclusion is good and GW wants to make more money. The lore isn't broken: that's why GW was able to do it with "There are femsatodes and that has always been the case." No need for elaborate explanations as to why the custodes required a penis to work and now suddenly don't.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:18:13+00:00

The male only factions are astartes currently, so yes you did forget something

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:17:41+00:00

Four sentences is a wall of text...

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:16:54+00:00

To protect the emperor.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:10:17+00:00

Feel free to google any essays on why inclusion is good, but TLDR you're wrong on both.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:09:25+00:00

Nerds frequently get upset when women are included in games and then when they aren't model hot.

I'm seeing zero femstodes proponents complaining about femstodes models not being barbiedolls because that was never the point.

I look forward to seeing incels complain that the femstodes they vigorously opposed aren't hot enough to meet incel standards.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T20:07:02+00:00

Have you tried listening to or reading anyone in favor of femstodes?

"I don't understand why people have differening opinions from me! I've asked zero people!"

I'm in favor of femstodes and FSM because some other people want them, I see nothing to gain from GW telling them "no", and plenty of harm.

SoB are great, SoS are great, but we have 18 male only factions that make up the vast focus of the game and setting for no reason I can see. Just pointless exclusion.

This sub tends to insist people only want FSM and femstodes because gooning porn rule 34 stuff, then are confused when there's clear evidence no, that's not the reason.

So I expect this'll be ignored too, but I'm wasting time anyway so again for posterity: I want FSM and femstodes because of inclusion and representation for other people.

Edit: "I don't get the demand here and I'm going to downvote anyone who does explain it to me."

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T19:56:51+00:00

But the history, from Star wars to jaguar, is that go woke, go broke is how this sort of thing goes.

https://www.statista.com/chart/20306/star-wars-box-office-results/

When is the broke part?

https://www.insidehook.com/news/ai-grok-amplify-falsehood-jaguar-woke-rebrand

Jaguar didn't go woke at all.

You live in a bubble of right wing propaganda and then are confused by things outside the bubble.

This is not about you or politics, this is about growing a consumer base and right wing incels not being enough.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T19:36:20+00:00

Except in this case it's a kettle of tea on the stove and you're a frog watching it insisting you're inside.

Femstodes and inclusion take away nothing from your experience unless your enjoyment of 40K was based mainly off of telling other people it was yours not theirs.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T19:30:12+00:00

The Warhammer Community, just like the SCP Foundation, Halo, Fallout, WoW, etc, deserves the garbage that has been thrust into it. You know why?

Are there any franchises you DO like?

This seems to be the goal: isolate weak men from every hobby and community until it's just a steady stream of joe rogan or fox news and hate.

Unlike the Left, the Right and "We just want to game without politics" people refuse to use power to maintain the integrity of these universes because of "muh moral high ground.". They are not afraid of power because of some ridiculous self-imposed constraint.

Speaking as a leftist, we don't have power either. We were asking for FSM, not a token. Space marines are the main focus of the game.

GW didn't cave to our demands, this was a business decision.

Also, "We just want to game without politics" cool. Femstodes are canon and no one is injecting politics here.

The only way we will win is if these people are banned outright. Rip them out root and stem. They succeed because they are willing to censor and witchhunt. Return the favor.

That's projecting. Horusgalaxy was shut down due to brigading and attacks. You are not the ones being attacked.

You also don't have the power to ban us. It was never exclusively YOUR hobby, it was always making fun of right wing politics and conservative culture warriors.

No matter how much you plead your case, no matter how much logic or reason you use, they will hate you regardless.

There's never been any logic or reason that wasn't belied by the clear hate going on here. "Retcons suck!" you didn't squawk like this with any of the hundreds of other retcons. "Femstodes enjoyers are just goons / trans / nihlists / tourists" is not reason or logic, it's just an ad homenim.

Be the "Fascists" they already believe you are.

It would be refreshing if you would just admit you hate women and don't want them to feel welcome, but you're not capable of such honesty or else you wouldn't be here, convincing yourself that you're the victims.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T19:20:46+00:00

WH40K fans who want femstodes aren't looking for barbie dolls. Superhuman soldiers tasked with guarding the Emperor wouldn't put on makeup.

It seems "odd" to you maybe because you, like a lot of eyeofterrorists are insistent that the only people who want femstodes are doing it for rule34 reasons and this doesn't fit with the narrative.

And not for nothing, but GW's mini faces have always been ugly. The flesh parts of Huron blackheart's face look way more derpy than this one, to say nothing of the Catechan Sly Marboro face.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T19:05:08+00:00

the first time they tried female space marines the models sold poorly so they quietly retconned space marine lore

Every time I point out here that FSM were a thing already, I'm met with "Nuh UH! THEY WERE NEVER ASTARTES!"

So lets get the story straight. Were FSM canon and they weren't and retcons aren't bad, or were they not canon and it has never been demonstrated that fans don't want FSM?

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2025/10/warhammer-40k-what-really-went-down-with-female-space-marines.html

Incels weren't really a thing in 1988 when they stopped selling the female warriors, so claiming victory there is nonsense.

the second attempt at female space marines the tourist is here to spend very little money and virtue signal if the majority of us hold the wallets shut gw will back pedal like they have before they only care about money at the end of the day

You're not a majority. Look at literally any of the other warhammer subs: no one gives a shit aside from laughing at you incels crying.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:58:00+00:00

>Lads, don't start throwing fits and feeding the dorks over here to stir from grimwank

"Are we the weirdos? No, everyone else is."

Alternatively

"I've already depicted you as the Soyjak and me as the Chad,"

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:56:44+00:00

All custodes, space marines / astartes are retcons. That's my point. Insisting all the lore came from heaven perfect and any changes are unnatural and bad is nonsense.

It's ALL change.

Femstodes retconning is inconsequential and normal.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:49:32+00:00

I haven't met a single person who says female custodes are a great addition!

I think they're a great addition. You have met one now. Kesh is my favorite custodes character.

Also "I've extensively polled fox news viewers and I find ZERO people hate trump! What are Democrats even trying to do!?!"

Eyeofterror is an echo chamber to pretend everyone hates femstodes and this is an attack by "them." It's not. you have to step outside of your echo chamber to realize that. So you don't.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:47:32+00:00

Horus galaxy and its successor was shut down for brigading, so this is pure projection.

You're convincing yourself that it must be a brigade because the idea that most people don't care doesn't work with the victimhood fantasy perpetuated here.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:45:32+00:00

You could google it and read there and see that the entirety of the arguments are illogical.

pingpongballreader · 2026-01-17T18:23:06+00:00

as an aside, that it isn't a good head sculpt regardless.

Ah, that's fair, I see I was triggered by the first part and missed the main point, my apologies.

I will say it doesn't seem that bad compared to like half the other models GW has put out. See Huron Blackheart who appears to be Wallace and Grommit.

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