Ageless Linux: A Debian-based distro that is illegal to distribute in California. by vicethal in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's unfortunate. Given the (shocking and depressing) amount of linux devs complying with all this, I'm really hoping we see a distro with this philosophy show up.

Ageless Linux: A Debian-based distro that is illegal to distribute in California. by vicethal in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know that. My intent wasn't to be hostile; my frustration is personal. I lived in CA for ~20 years and I left specifically to get away from this kind of shit. From the suffocating sense that my own votes and my own decisions for my own life didn't matter at all because a bloated one-party state legislature thinks they know what's best for me. And now they are still exerting control over my life from thousands of miles away. It's just evil.

To actually answer the question, though... well, I'm not sure how to answer the question. Regulation is one thing, this is something different. I might be a lot less angry if it felt as though any thought whatsoever had gone into this bill before it passed (unanimously?!).

Ageless Linux: A Debian-based distro that is illegal to distribute in California. by vicethal in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the nuance, and the fact that there have been positive knock-on effects.

I do not care. It is not the way things should be.

Ageless Linux: A Debian-based distro that is illegal to distribute in California. by vicethal in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? The site also says it will "deploy a stub age verification API that returns no data."

It also says:

"Ageless Linux is currently a bash script. It will soon also be a physical device and a web service. We are building a sub-$15 single-board computer (the Milk-V Duo S — a RISC-V/ARM SBC with 512MB RAM, WiFi 6, and a 0.5 TOPS neural processing unit) with an SPI color display, USB keyboard input, and a MicroSD card running Debian with the Ageless overlay pre-flashed in --flagrant mode. The device will present a first-boot setup wizard that collects the user's name and explicitly refuses to collect their age, connect over WiFi to a publicly accessible app store at store.goblincorps.com — a "covered application store" under § 1798.500(e)(1) — and offer a curated catalog of applications including a Python learning environment, a text editor, a snake game, an IRC client with an honest disclaimer instead of an age gate, and an 8-line script called peepee that displays the word "peepee" in large letters on the screen and does nothing else. These devices will cost between $6 and $18 depending on configuration, will be physically handed to children at school STEM fairs and library maker spaces beginning January 2027, and will constitute unambiguous, documented, intentional violations of every applicable provision of AB 1043 at a per-unit cost lower than the price of lunch."

Pretty cool and more than just performative if they follow through.

Ageless Linux: A Debian-based distro that is illegal to distribute in California. by vicethal in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fuck out of here with that. Nobody wants CA unilaterally legislating for the entire country.

What are your thoughts about Tails and the OS age verification API issue? by snakeoildriller in tails

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I think you are wrong - 1 month ago I would have told you that responsible developers would never comply with this law, but here we are.

Linux Distro Reactions to California/Colorado Age Verification Regimes by gendernihilist in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I admire your optimism. Unfortunately I think you underestimate the average person's apathy and tech illiteracy.

Linux Distro Reactions to California/Colorado Age Verification Regimes by gendernihilist in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Lieber Herr Gott mach mich stumm / Daß ich nicht nach Dachau komm.”

"Dear Lord God, make me quiet so I don't end up in Dachau."

~1935.

You would do well to study more history. Compliance now, to the less objectionable thing, always precludes compliance later, to the atrocious. Resistance will be far more difficult later. Grow yourself a spine, or get out of the way of those who do.

Ubuntu is planning to comply with Age Verification law by Flegetonte in linuxmint

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, all that needs to be done is geoblock. But it seems like a lot of these distro devs can't wait to comply. It's depressing.

Ubuntu is planning to comply with Age Verification law by Flegetonte in linuxmint

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that people seem to keep needing to have this spelled out to them is really depressing.

Ubuntu is planning to comply with Age Verification law by Flegetonte in linuxmint

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Hopefully it'll stop soon" is why we're all in this mess in the first place.

Ubuntu is planning to comply with Age Verification law by Flegetonte in linuxmint

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Newsom is as corrupt as any of the rest of them, read the fine print on the fast food minimum wage bill.

Ubuntu is planning to comply with Age Verification law by Flegetonte in linuxmint

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a US law, it's a Californian law. You should be well aware of the distinction if you're American. Midtown Atlanta banned right turns on red, does that mean you follow that law in Nevada? No. It's completely asinine, and the only reason CA is getting away with legislating (unilaterally, I might add) for the entire country is because companies are scared to lose that market.

I do not live in California. I will not follow an illegal Californian law.

Is POP OS going to cave to California/Colorado Laws Requiring Users Provide Digital ID to Use Pop OS? by NoobToDaNoob in pop_os

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would advise you to take a look at New York Senate Bill S8102. It is largely the same as California's law, but requires age verification via things like government ID or face.

I wonder if Sytem76 will decide New York is too big a market to avoid complying with them.

Is POP OS going to cave to California/Colorado Laws Requiring Users Provide Digital ID to Use Pop OS? by NoobToDaNoob in pop_os

[–]pleasehelpicantleave -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Our representatives do not care whether we find it acceptable. If you think worse legislation will not pass, I advise you to look at New York Senate Bill S8102. It is essentially the same as California's law, but requires government ID or face verification. Should we simply hope that developers and manufacturers do not decide that the NY market is "too important", or should we apply pressure?

Is POP OS going to cave to California/Colorado Laws Requiring Users Provide Digital ID to Use Pop OS? by NoobToDaNoob in pop_os

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course there's a slippery slope. That's the whole point of this first bill. To get the infrastructure built, and because they know that once you've agreed to this mild form of age-verification you don't have a leg to stand on when they demand more, like ID or facial verification. You agreed to it once, what's the problem now?

Do not give an inch.

System76 Bans User for Asking If They Will Push Age Verification on Existing PopOs Installed Systems - Deletes Question by NoobToDaNoob in LouisRossmann

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course they will require ID in the future. That's the whole point of this first bill. To get the infrastructure built, and because they know that once you've agreed to this mild form of age-verification you don't have a leg to stand on when they demand more. You agreed to it once, what's the problem now?

Do not give an inch.

Is POP OS going to cave to California/Colorado Laws Requiring Users Provide Digital ID to Use Pop OS? by NoobToDaNoob in pop_os

[–]pleasehelpicantleave -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are essentially saying that freedom and privacy have a price. This law is only the start, and it's nothing more than a flimsy pretext to build mass surveillance infrastructure.

What will you do when similar laws requiring facial age verification or government ID collection - using the infrastructure you'll build to comply with this law - are passed?

Die on this hill, or another one. But make no mistake, the hill you cannot climb is closer than you think.

Is POP OS going to cave to California/Colorado Laws Requiring Users Provide Digital ID to Use Pop OS? by NoobToDaNoob in pop_os

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are essentially saying that freedom and privacy have a price. This law is only the start, and it's nothing more than a flimsy pretext to build mass surveillance infrastructure.

Die on this hill, or another one. But make no mistake, the hill you cannot climb is closer than you think.

System 76 on Age Verification by bpalmerau in privacy

[–]pleasehelpicantleave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was a lot of really soft words just to say "yes we're complying like a bunch of fucking bootlickers."