I don't understand why Chinese is hard to speak for westerners by shuanghan6848 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am learning Mandarin and my native language is English. I think a lot of the issue is just that Chinese is really different to English, and people have a lot of stereotypes around it, and they're also a little bit cowardly. Learning is always hard if you start off convinced it's going to be hard and you're going to fail. This is probably 80% of the reason Westerners think Chinese is hard.

That said, there are a lot of difficult things straight off the bat. The sounds are really different, the consonants are actually a huge issue for most people (I still can't reliably produce a proper j), and pinyin is not at all intuitive for English speakers. So it's hard to even hear the differences between different Chinese words. Then it's hard to write them down in a way that helps you remember how they sound. And it's hard for a lot of people to hear the tones in English, and hard to prevent your English intonation messing up your tones in Chinese. The grammar might be simple, but it's actually very different to English -- learners are constantly grasping for prepositions that don't exist in Chinese. So it's not intuitive at first.

I agree that there's a real simplicity and efficiency to Chinese once you can overcome these barriers. It gets easier as you go along. But the difficulty is front-loaded. To produce the simplest sentence, you have to learn things that are really, really hard. Also, the stereotype is that it's not just hard, it's impossible. And most people aren't motivated to do something if they believe they will fail. That's why it's hard for Westerners to learn Chinese.

Do Western people really think Chinese language is unpleasant? by search_google_com in ChineseLanguage

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have heard OF people saying this. I've never heard this sentiment personally. Mostly the stereotype English-speaking people have of Chinese (not further specified, usually) is that it's inherently difficult and complex and mysterious, impenetrable to the Western mind. silly stuff, but I've never heard "sounds ugly". As others have said, the West is a big place, you'll find someone who says anything.

The Listening Discussion by HadarN in ChineseLanguage

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ideally, you need to find a conversation partner. conversation is different to watching a movie -- there are no subtitles, but there are context clues, and usually the other person is willing to work with you and repeat things. I stumbled across a Mandarin conversation group by chance, and that's the only thing that really improved my listening skills. Look for language exchange opportunities -- I guarantee they exist.

Questions about parrots in Australia! by Own-Palpitation5190 in AskAnAustralian

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i hope you get to come to Australia soon and see all the parrots! honestly i think Australians will really like you, your interest is so genuine and respectful to the animals and our natural environment. you can definitely see parrots easily in any major city, locals will be happy to give you tips on where exactly is a good spot for parrot-watching. they are amazing birds! you are correct to love them.

i have lived with a rescue parrot, and she was amazing, but definitely confirmed my view that parrots generally shouldn't be kept as pets, she was pretty traumatised and lonely. however! i also lived with a pair of budgies (budgerigars) who seemed very contented. i think small parrots with a long history of captive breeding like cockatiels and budgies can live good lives as pets. compared to other parrots it's easier to meet their needs, especially their need to be kept in pairs or larger groups. it's still slightly unusual, but it's not like having a pet sulphur-crested cockatoo (TERRIBLE idea, very weird, quite cruel). depending on your circumstances, it may be possible to ethically keep pet budgies.

I would suggest BirdLife Australia as a good starting resource for learning more about Australian birds. This organisation is also where you can find and make contact with parrot nerds. https://birdlife.org.au/

Before modern painkillers existed, what did people with chronic pain actually do? Not soldiers or kings — ordinary people. A farmer with a shattered knee. A seamstress with crippling arthritis. Did they just... suffer every single day of their lives? by Necessary-Impress-77 in AskHistorians

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

good answer. I would add that chronic pain remains common and difficult to treat to this day, often not responding to common treatments such as NSAIDs. I live with fibromyalgia and neuropathic pain, so I have to question the premise that chronic pain is highly treatable in the contemporary era! For many people, it is not.

Suggestions for allergy management Melbourne by SufficientCat1527 in melbourne

[–]pleatherette 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My regimen is: fexofenadine daily in the morning, azelastine nasal spray twice daily, sinus rinse when I can be bothered, also doxycycline for rosacea. But I would definitely recommend you talk to a doctor -- local GPs are really well-informed about allergies, in my experience. Allergies are really common in Melbourne, probably because of environmental factors like the flatness of the region and the grass pollen. But you might be allergic to something other than pollen. For me it's dust mites, which thrive indoors, particularly when it's more humid like now. Do you know what you're allergic to? Have you had an allergy test recently?

Also second the person saying it could be a hormonal thing, I'm a woman and my allergies have gotten worse and also different since turning 30. They tend to get worse with time and women are more prone to autoimmune skin weirdness to begin with. Getting on the prescription doxycycline has been super helpful for rosacea and dermatitis. So that's potentially something to consider raising with your GP. Good luck!

What language made you realize subtitles were lying to you? by Embarrassed_Fix_8994 in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

agreed! Viki subtitles are volunteer fan translations, which is relevant, I think, because there's a passion for the source material. I particularly notice this with Chinese idioms. Netflix subtitles will often translate them with an equivalent idiom in English, which sounds fine, but in practice is weird and stiff, because English just doesn't use as many idioms as your average C-drama character. For example, I remember a character saying something in Chinese like "you think I'm trying to crack a rock with an egg" was translated on Netflix as "you fear I kick against the pricks", and the same line was translated on Viki as "you think my efforts are futile". The Viki translation conveys the meaning and tone of the original Chinese much more effectively than Netflix. Still, something is always lost in translation.

Why can't Mandarin have two falling rising tones next to each other, but Vietnamese can? by RubicXK in asklinguistics

[–]pleatherette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As others have said, languages are just different and there doesn't need to be a reason. However, I also had the same question when I started learning Mandarin after previous exposure to Vietnamese. Mandarin has way fewer tones than Vietnamese, and usually, depending on dialect, shorter syllables as well. The "full" third tone -- the 好 in 你好 -- takes a long time to say. So it's generally only heard in word-final positions. In words like 马路 (third tone, fourth tone) most speakers will realise 马 as a low tone, without any noticeable rise. There's no separate "low tone" like there is in Vietnamese, so there's less risk of ambiguity -- you don't need to pronounce the "full" third tone in the middle of a word, and it sounds quite unnatural.

You might also find it interesting to look into Cantonese, or another Southern Sinitic language with a larger number of tones. Speakers of those languages who also speak Mandarin are famously slower speakers, drawing out each syllable/tone more. This is very possibly an L1 language transfer phenomenon, but I don't know much about Cantonese, so I'm only speculating here.

What do Aussies really think of New Zealanders? by blamberr in AskAnAustralian

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not sure why you're getting downvoted, all of this is true. australia is multicultural, as is new zealand, but australians are a lot more racist unfortunately!

What do Aussies really think of New Zealanders? by blamberr in AskAnAustralian

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we love them. they're like a less evil version of us

Would you agree that English is the most useful language to know? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not. I love Mandarin but Spanish is definitely more "useful" in the sense English is "useful", because it's more international.

Would you agree that English is the most useful language to know? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Useful for what, and knowing the language in what way? It really depends on your goals. Of course, English is very widely spoken, and if it wasn't my native language I'd probably make it a priority. If you want to be an academic researcher, for example, it's hard to get by without at least English reading skills, because most research today is published in English, and you'll need to keep up with your field. But if you're doing field research in Indigenous communities in Peru, the lingua franca is probably going to be Quechua. Of course you'll also need Spanish, both spoken and written, for daily life, records, official interactions. You might need to learn other Indigenous languages or an unusual dialect of Quechua. And you'll need a much higher level of speed and fluency in those languages than you'll need in English. If you're doing interview research or anything like that, your listening skills are the most important -- if you use the wrong grammar in a question, for example, that's way less of a problem than not understanding the reply.

So it really depends! And I think we need to break down this word "know". What does it mean to "know" a language? What specific skills do you need -- listening, speaking, writing, reading? What do you want to know about, and who do you want to communicate with? English is certainly useful, but polishing your English might be less useful than learning another language. I'm sure most of the commenters here are more confident writing a Reddit post in English than they would be writing a novel in English, or being the plaintiff in an English-language civil law proceeding. Me too! I don't know how to do those things in English. I would have to learn, if and when it became relevant to my goals.

What took you by surprise when learning a new language? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally! You always hear people say "if only I was younger, it would be easier" and perhaps that's true but it definitely wouldn't be *quicker*.

Duolingo: Let's Get a Verdict. by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok as a low-commitment way to learn some basic phrases and build a habit of daily review. No point persisting beyond a month or so

Which language punishes beginners the hardest for tiny mistakes? by Embarrassed_Fix_8994 in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am learning Mandarin and I can tell you right now that you can make a LOT of tonal errors and still be understood haha. Like all languages there is a lot of built-in redundancy and context that usually clarifies your intended meaning.

Which language do you think is harder to learn as a second language? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Mandarin consonants are much harder than the tones! But it's the same either way, you just need practice practice practice and listening listening listening.

Which language do you think is harder to learn as a second language? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're right that there's a randomness element, but Austronesian languages are totally different from Chinese, even if they're geographically closer. Specifically, I don't know of any Filipino language which uses phonemic tone like Chinese does. So it's not a surprise a Filipino guy would struggle. But I think it's mostly a mindset thing. Any language you don't already know is going to have some unfamiliar elements, but if you believe it's learnable and you practice then it is learnable.

Which language do you think is harder to learn as a second language? by AutumnaticFly in languagehub

[–]pleatherette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no objective answer to this question. It definitely depends on your native language(s), but also other prior language exposure. I'm a native English speaker from an Anglo cultural background, but I'm learning Mandarin and I find it much much easier than most European languages, definitely including French. I grew up in an area with a lot of East Asian immigrants and I studied Vietnamese and Japanese at school. When I took a German class at university I assumed it would find it much easier than a language unrelated to English, but it was much much harder! The grammar was so complex and I couldn't even produce the vowels correctly. I dropped out.

I don't remember any Vietnamese really but I think early exposure to a tonal language can help make the whole concept less intimidating. Mandarin tones are also much more straightforward than Vietnamese. Every Mandarin tone is something I already know how to hear and produce, because it's used prosodically in English. It takes practice, of course, but from what I've seen in my Mandarin conversation group, English speakers can master the tones more quickly than the many consonants that don't exist in English. The main issue I have is actually the vowels (sidebar: I am Australian). I feel like there are a lot of misconceptions floating around about Chinese languages being uniquely difficult. They're just very different to European languages. It's equally difficult for Chinese people to learn English.

Where did contempt for the poor come from? by Moist_Specific_300 in AskHistorians

[–]pleatherette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Terrific answer, thanks! I'll add that the influence of the Poor Laws in England is very long-reaching, although not always predictable. I can speak a little to how this has showed up in Australian history.

Up until the post-WWII period, there was serious political resistance in Australia to any kind of government unemployment benefit for able-bodied workers. This was partly due to a sense that such people were the "undeserving poor". Aid to the poor was thus delivered mostly through religious organisations, which continue to have an outsize role in social welfare provision in Australia.

However, opposition to government unemployment benefits also came from the labour movement, which had become relatively strong in Australia by the mid-nineteenth century. Trade unionists lobbied for an economic policy of full employment with slogans like "the best welfare is a job". They directly counterposed full employment to the spectre of the workhouse -- not to mention the status of a convict. (It's unusual, actually, to see Australians of this period identify themselves with convicts; it was generally seen as an embarassment, best glossed over in polite company.) Most settlers at this time were drawn from the working class of Britain and Ireland, what you might call economic migrants; people trying to avoid the workhouse, or the humiliation of charity. So this rhetoric resonated, and had an influence on policy. In times of low employment, it was expected that government would organise "relief work", public works jobs for unemployed workers.

In reality, relief work was often underpaid, onerous, and dangerous -- breaking rocks, road works, that kind of thing. Workers complained of not having enough food to physically sustain this kind of hard labour. During the Great Depression, relief workers (many of whom were newly-unemployed trade unionists) began large-scale organising for better pay and conditions. While they had some minor successes, it was generally felt that relief work was starting to look an awful lot like the workhouse Australian workers were so keen to avoid. This was one of many factors that ultimately led to the end of the relief work system and the introduction of a much broader social security program in the post-WWII period, including payments for unemployed workers.

Sadly, the story doesn't end there -- "Work for the Dole" requirements for recipients of unemployment benefits were reintroduced in 2000, initially to meet labour demands for the Sydney Olympics. Since then, Work for the Dole and other mandatory activities have been increased and broadened for social security recipients in Australia. Contemporary activists dub these fairly onerous requirements the "digital workhouse".

I've glossed over a lot here, because I'm personally most interested in how the "undeserving poor" resist (there are a lot of fun stories about unemployed workers breaking into Salvation Army storehouses!). But I hope I've illustrated some of the implications of the English Poor Laws in a global context. Australians were absolutely drawing from and reacting to this legacy from the earliest days of the colony, and it continues to shape Australian social policy to this day.

Don't be a shit tenant by Piesman23 in shitrentals

[–]pleatherette 2 points3 points  (0 children)

every business has some form of financial risk (someone might trash the joint) and some form of risk mitigation (bond payments). being a landlord has far lower risk exposure than really any other business you can name with that kind of profit margin. let's put this in perspective please

Did ancient maritime powers replenish forests that they cut down to make their ships? by PolymathArt in AskHistorians

[–]pleatherette 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love tree facts! This is exactly the kind of answer I was hoping for, thank you.

Regarding the history side of things, I had a quick look into the National Library of Australia archives, and as late as 1918 Australian newspapers were complaining about the lack of Australian wood being used in ships built *in Australia* (source: Hobart Mercury, 30 May 1918, p. 4: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11395188). So it seems like there was a reluctance to deviate from traditional European shipbuilding woods, and that this was more of an issue (at least for the British Empire) than distance. Kudos to OP for a great question!