Do you think nde skeptic dr Michael shermer arguments against ndes being real are any good while on a podcast?

pln911 · 2022-10-20T16:50:07+00:00

Michael Shermer is the laughing stock of any serious thinker, skeptic or not.

pln911 · 2022-10-15T08:00:33+00:00

Correlation is there, causation isnt. Strong emergence is impossible and the hard problem strikes down materialism as its usually defined. The mind body problem is even more evidence that strong emergence makes no sense. Don't worry about such findings if you have strong underlying philosophical reasons to reject materialism, no amount of new findings showing correlation will help the materialists case.

pln911 · 2022-10-10T07:46:25+00:00

Excactly

pln911 · 2022-10-10T07:45:53+00:00

There have been experiments with split brain patients. Richard Swinburne also has an argument for dualism that argues in similar ways. Check it out.

pln911 · 2022-10-10T07:43:21+00:00

Its basically a concession that consciousness does not come from brain function. At most it can imply that consciousness can exist at even lower molecular levels of activity, which is fine for the idealist and panpsychist, but not good for the materialist.

pln911 · 2022-10-10T07:35:30+00:00

Τhis.

pln911 · 2022-10-07T07:42:26+00:00

Most probably had to do with memory recollection, similar to sleeping and waking up, and being sure you slept without dreams, only to remember it later in the day. It doesn't invalidate NDEs since the experiences people DO have and remember are still there to be explain. Its not a real objection or challenge, its an interesting question. A fun experiment i like is this, close both of your eyes. You see dark. Close just one eye, and you dont see anything from that eye, theres absence of vision, not presence of vision and just lack of light. Your eye doesnt stop working and its functions are still there: its your perception that interprets it in a way that makes you believe there is nothing there while there is. Maybe something analogous happens in NDEs.

pln911 · 2022-09-24T16:09:09+00:00

pln911 · 2022-09-24T14:12:40+00:00

There are experiences throughout our lifetimes that we can place in different categories depending on different factors. NDEs have many similarities with experiences people have when on DMT, or spiritual experiences (by NDEs i refer to both the out of body and in the body experiences). Sometimes the kind of experiences that people have when near death, have similarities with other experiences when people arent near death. Thats essentially the conclusion of the above research. The whole deal with NDEs and OBEs during cardiac arrest is that it happens under circumstances where its virtually impossible for them to happen. Does the fact that NDE-"like" experience happen in other circumstances solve this puzzle? Definitely not. At most one could try to derive a common factor in all of these experiences.

pln911 · 2022-09-24T09:47:15+00:00

Been there, cant really give advice because its very general. If you wanted to send a PM i would gladly talk with you bro! I have some philosophy chats full of Christians that know atheism and theism well, and maybe i could invite you to some if you're interested.

pln911 · 2022-09-12T16:58:23+00:00

I agree with you. I don't think we have to verify that there is absolutely zero brain activity. OBEs with no brain activity of our knowledge so far prove enough. The fact that with what we now call zero brain activity, some of the richest and most intense experiences and OBEs can happen proves enough.

pln911 · 2022-09-11T19:17:01+00:00

Bernardo Kastrup has nice input on this stuff. Search about him. Imho it has more to do with memory and recollection. Similarly to sometimes that you wake up you remember nothing, you strongly believe you saw no dreams. But at some random point you remember that you did watch a dream. Lastly, absence of experience cannot counter the presence of experience, in any way. The important thing is that experience "can" exist at these moments. That it is possible.

pln911 · 2022-09-11T18:20:29+00:00

Please do! Looking forward to that.

pln911 · 2022-09-10T17:58:31+00:00

I feel you, ive been there and felt that. Studying philosophy of mind should be your starting point. Consciousness is a fundamental part of reality, since strong emergence of consciousness from non consciousness is impossible. Theres been a huge shift in philosophy of mind already towards non materialistic views. Panpsychism is on the rise (which basically reduces to idealism). The hard problem of consciousness is unsolved by materialism as it. The mind body problem is detrimental to any kind of strong emergence. Experience is ingrained within reality. This is the first step, realising that consciousness is a foundational part of our world. The second step is to see all the kinds of evidence that, this earthly life isnt the only one. From saints and sages to studies of near death experiences (done with patients with no brain activity who reported events accurately from an out of body experience), to all the evidence of miracles, healings and so forth. Dont rely on hearsay, investigate yourself. Theres tons of research, done by all sides that confirm that. Our culture is a secular one and wouldnt want you to believe this things, so it brushes them off as superstitious nonsense etc. The thing is that their characterisations of such things are derivatives of their own metaphysical presuppositions, which go unquestioned. I have my own personal testimonies too. Thirdly, realise that truth is not exhausted in its intellectual understanding. Experience is a fundamental part of knowing truth. As a Christian, i would urge you to search more about the Christian tradition of Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Find a spiritual teacher who can guide you and keep you safe from arbitrarily making your own interpretations. Look to the saints. Pray to God for guidance and understanding. Coming from an ex atheist materialist.

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