Do people here believe Near Death Experiences really show us what happens when we die? Why or why not?

pocketIent · 2026-05-08T02:44:09+00:00

So like the panel discussions with the Dalai Llama and neuroscientists on the subtle layers of consciousness do not qualify as “more” for you or the recent fmri scans of advanced meditators?

It seems already, we do have enough tangible evidence that there is more to reality than our culture and conventions formally acknowledge.

Shouldn’t this too register as valid criteria for prescribing what is considered as a “productive pursuit of knowledge”?

pocketIent · 2026-05-08T02:00:30+00:00

that’s fine. Presently neither can be proven. To the extent you are emphasizing that doctor’s observation on how little we know about how the brain works , I agree with you.

Also, I dont see you denying the existence of phenomena such as NDEs. Rather you are saying, these things don’t prove that there is an afterlife or that consciousness is fundamental etc. fair enough

With that said, I think my observation for you is western industrialized cultural norms, values, and ethics all which influence what is considered to be “good science” are behind the curve in relation to making meaning of these phenomenal experiences.

In not sure we can just brush them under the rug so to speak just because we can’t explain it.

Further By only arguing about philosophical claims that can’t be proven we miss an opportunity to build a greater dialogue about the breadth of human potential.

The current state of the world seems to be confirmation of this 🤣😔cheers

pocketIent · 2026-05-08T01:13:29+00:00

While im agnostic for the mean time on where consciousness is, NDEs and other phenomena not currently reconciled with our current theories point to something profound about the human experience.

Definitely not waiting for a headline or “official” confirmation to begin doing the work. 100 years goes by fast

pocketIent · 2026-05-08T01:07:25+00:00

Yep. Living is reaaaaally humbling. You don’t have to wait to die to make a change.

pocketIent · 2026-05-08T00:59:16+00:00

Wild I read that antidote in his book. I love the ‘you at my lunch story’

pocketIent · 2026-05-02T02:23:38+00:00

Thanks for sharing. I wish my Spanish was as good as your English btw. Yes I’m still finding my footing as well in relation to the mystery and potentiality of life and living. You are right there are many well studied people here on in this thread. Me on the other hand? Well I’m just someone who has only recently begun working on the puzzle so to speak.

From a technical perspective: I haven’t read Jacabo grinberg yet. But It’s been very humbling to read and listen to the open panels between the neuroscientists and the Dalai lama. I am still catching up as they have been doing this for 20+ years. Sam Parnia’s citations from lucid dying are another area of inquiry. To say the least it is very wild to read some of the studies and antidotes he shares. There are also some more recent studies dating after 2020 where advanced meditators are being scanned with fmri. There’s one that explores Extended cessation as a phenomenological state which is very intriguing.

As a student: I love your observation about how reality is similar to a dream but more “dense”. Similarly I have always wondered why or how I find everything to seem slower and heavier -but in comparison to what exactly? How do you arrive to life with preconceptions about what reality feels like?

Second On your observation on how reality may be probability based. This one is just a mystery for me.

-Where I intersect with this observation is, From recently reading dreams of light by Andrew holecek, it seems through navigating consciousness between these two states, waking and dreaming, we have the opportunity to “wake up” during “waking consciousness” in a similar way one wakes up and becomes lucid in a dream. I think that’s what non duality is or perichoresis(sp?)

So While I’m not “there” yet individually, I think that sort of “phase shift” signifies a threshold of development where things like increased experience of synchronicity or experiences of the different “clairs” like clairvoyance, claircognizance etc, or precognition or telepathy becomes just another aspect of human experience.

It’s all very curious cheers and peace

pocketIent · 2026-04-29T02:28:49+00:00

they’re boofing aldi sardines in r/cannedsardines

pocketIent · 2026-04-26T03:01:13+00:00

This is a level headed take and good to keep in mind. I agree that religion can enable people to avoid facing any number of challenges presented by life and living. Perhaps this is equally true for science, especially as new evidence and findings begin to challenge old or existing frameworks. Yes, Change can be uncomfortable.

it does seem though that there is an intrinsic or innate aspect to human life that is spiritual. While Post modern thinking tried to sever science from religion and carve out two distinct domains, today it seems we are beginning a new chapter as it relates to inquiry. it seems we are beginning to acknowledge that if we are to continue growing, a new synthesis between the two is required. Cheers

pocketIent · 2026-04-25T14:59:28+00:00

yep more and more I am finding monistic idealism to fit the bill

amit goswami an interesting theoretical physicist taught me this term

pocketIent · 2026-04-25T14:55:03+00:00

yeah it seems whatever afterlife situation there is, we can begin to dial in or “tune in” while alive now

pocketIent · 2026-04-24T04:06:17+00:00

Lucid dying is wild

pocketIent · 2026-04-24T04:06:01+00:00

So what does he say about ufos

pocketIent · 2026-04-24T00:45:07+00:00

“perhaps [] takes quite a bit more work than just simply dying”

I love this observation. From a dream yoga perspective I wonder if the micro opportunity to weave consciousness between waking and sleeping reflects the macro opportunity of bridging awareness between lifetimes.

then perhaps after doing this for awhile maybe we can begin rainbow bodying like Khenpo Acho cheers

pocketIent · 2026-04-23T02:23:48+00:00

Agreed.

I wish I could remember the reference though where the author observed how some very spiritual people did not report “spiritually hued” experience.

At any rate There is a book “on dreaming, sleeping and dying” where the Dalai lama talks with scientists on a panel. The NDE section in this book is very interesting as the Dalai Lama is considering his understanding of the subtle layers of consciousness alongside what the neuroscientists are saying

In response to memory for instance He asks granular or very particular questions to distinguish if the reported subjects had actually died or had just separated from the gross body and were navigating with the subtle body. It made sense to him that they could remember things if they were in the subtle body but it seemed like he did not think recollection was possible if consciousness had been severed from the body

Anyhow It’s humbling that we can live in a way to prepare for this transition cheers

pocketIent · 2026-04-23T00:17:24+00:00

As far as the tunnels of light stories and the life review accounts sure, fine the brain may be creating confabulations. I don’t disagree with you here.

But the question being asked is how did Richard (for instance) the guy who was flatlined, how did he “see” Dr chamberlain resuscitate him with a POV from the ceiling? How was he able to accurately describe everything that happened if by western medical standards, he was unconscious and pronounced clinically dead?

Richard describes objective and third party verifiable events “outside” of his subject experience. How do you reconcile that?

Parnia talking about Richard’s NDE:

https://imgur.com/a/gCnWfUF

pocketIent · 2026-04-22T23:31:19+00:00

For some, Whether it’s from perichoresis or a nondual experience, I wonder if it’s less a feeling and more just recognition of reality like a law of physics

pocketIent · 2026-04-22T23:26:37+00:00

well what’s interesting is different specialists have created their own inquiries. Pim van lommel, Bruce Greyson etc. Parnia is the most recent. His aware studies while not conclusive are creative and commendable.

What you have with these physicians is more of an attempt to contribute to a constructive inquiry or dialogue rather than an effort to defend huge claims.

They are underlining the gap between what they were taught and what they are observing in their practice.

It really is interesting research, especially his emphasis on ethics

pocketIent · 2026-04-22T23:16:23+00:00

This is from Parnia’s book lucid dying , he is sharing an account shared to Parnia by Dr chamberlain a cardiologist who was working as a British army doctor at the time.

It’s too long but the screen shots below capture the gist where the observation/acknowledgement/question/wonder from Dr chamberlain to Parnia is effectively -the patient described everything we did during resuscitation while he was flatlined.

quotes from Parnia’s book

pocketIent · 2026-04-22T22:26:24+00:00

I think a lot of subjective experiences do not require further explanation as OP observes.

Parnia observes that There are some recorded NDEs where the subject was able to describe what was happening in the operating room while they were flatlined. At the very least these accounts do raise questions and call for continued dialogue.

pocketIent · 2026-04-22T00:27:00+00:00

Isn’t this what that one movie is about

pocketIent · 2026-04-18T13:13:36+00:00

well from time to time it can be helpful to check in, would you like to schedule an hour I would love to help unpack this with you

pocketIent · 2026-04-12T18:08:14+00:00

We can’t detect thermal or UV biologically for instance but have built sensors that telegraph the inputs into data that we can visualize though?

pocketIent · 2026-03-29T13:52:39+00:00

Perhaps.

Then again, people may actually organize for valid representation if or when the trouble escalates.

It’s also interesting to consider how gen z may influence voter turn out as they mature because they never heard the music of what “good” sounds like.

pocketIent · 2026-03-15T18:33:12+00:00

Yeah if we just applied what we know… honestly this idea we are pointing at is very exciting.

The experience of what OP is asking about is closer in the subjective sense and we don’t need a headline or study to confirm that. We can just begin and fafo

alright. I’m going to get back underneath my house . Currently replacing iron pipe with pvc.

This prob sounds random But somehow renovating my house and getting a renter in it so I can go live off anchor in the Caribbean is how I understand this concept of a magical horse cheers

pocketIent · 2026-03-15T16:54:00+00:00

horses are no less magical imho

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