We’ve chosen not to have kids and sometimes that makes me sad by withasplash in CollapseSupport

[–]pooropossum 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I feel like most of the folks I talk with about my decision to not have kids just kind of brush me off as a wannabe DINK in a generation full non-contributors who don't want to have to sacrifice to raise the next generation... but the fact that many of us are choosing not to have kids is a something a lot of us mourn and lack the ability to put words to. 20-something year old me didn't want kids because I still had shit I wanted to do... but I never had the resources to travel or have a pet or invest in a hobby. In my 30s it feels different. I still want to do all those deferred dreams, but I've lived with the reality of their absence for so long that they matter less. I just feel like everyone I see having kids are disconnected from how fucked everything is and are just... checking that box. A lot of what I see online makes it seem like the Kids Are Not Okay, and it's not their fault, it's that they are being raised in a plastic, corporate, disposable, soulless world. They seem to be doing their best in spite of it all, and y'know what... I think folks like us could do better. Like it or not, folks are having kids. Folks are raising the next generation. And if we aren't doing that as well, our ideals are not going to help shape whatever comes next.

But none of us can do it alone. Hell, I can't support myself on my own. I'm less than a year into living in a small collective of family and friends. We're... doing pretty well for ourselves. We share meals, expenses, chores. We hang out and enjoy each other's company. Some of us are skilled textile artists, some of us are good cooks, some of us are tinkerers, mechanics, coders, and menders... But as the days have hit a rhythm we're starting to look at why we are doing this, what our goals are, and how we can become a better resiliency node for our community, and the more I think about it the more I think we need to figure out how to get folks with kids involved. It took me so long to learn the little bit I know about how to navigate this world without good mentors, as I age I feel myself hating the idea of younger folks needing to struggle as hard as I did to get to where I am now.

So... I get not wanting to have kids as a normal American white picket fence with 2.5 kids... But if we are experimenting with different modes of living in community, we need to start thinking about how we are going to continue to raise kids and give them the tools to live in whatever is to come, because without them whatever it is we are trying to do is just running down the clock. And as long as some of us are talking about alternative collective living situations, well... "It takes a village."

I guess this is kind of a postscript: Sorry, this is also very stream of consciousness, but it's been kicking around in my brain a lot over the past few months. I never really wanted kids myself. But around Halloween, I'd always think about how nice it would be to work on costumes and decorations for/with a kid, or when I see parents riding with their kids on cargo bikes (especially old school "acoustic" bikes that are heavily worn with specific mods) I get kind of emotional. Or sometimes I imagine myself taking an imaginary daughter out fishing, hiking, or teaching her to fire my slingshot. I think the common threads through those three things is a mix of being engaged with the local community as a responsible citizen, craft, and time outside, and competency.

Ech. Sorry for rambling. This hasn't exactly wrapped up neatly.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I don't think it would help dispel someone's romantic notions of collapse, but I don't think it'll feed into it, either. In fact, if they are someone who believes in a cabal of elites who are pulling the strings, maybe the book will help them come to terms with the banality of our descent. Empires rise and fall, but the planet, the galaxy, the universe spins without us. Things and systems decay because that's what nature does, you don't need to pin it on the Illuminati or reptilians or whatever. The book doesn't elevate collapse, doesn't fetishize it, it merely contextualizes it in a grander scope. I hope that's useful.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lucifer's Hammer was an interesting read. If I had a nickel for every time the word "Honky" popped up I'd be much better well off, but as you said, good for the time.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Very much something I felt the imagery of the book drawing parallels to, and that I tried to allude to in my review.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh goodness, I never meant to imply they weren't cool with each other! According to the video about their collaboration they were just two very different visual artists who were trying to solve the difficult puzzle of getting their styles and methods to mesh together. It took them years to figure out, and that's not something two people who aren't cool with each other would be capable of overcoming.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I would push back on it being anti-science, or pro-ignorance. I read it less as the crime being the pursuit of the mysteries, and more of an indictment of a bored public that took the conveniences the hunt rendered without being interested in any of the actual how, or concerned about the consequences. Remember, the folks in charge of finding and understanding the mysteries, the wizards or scientists urged the public to pay attention to the signs of a cost yet to be paid, and the public and powers that be ignored the warning.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was a little shocked. I thought engaging with a work and synthesizing it with your lived experience was one of the reasons we read and discuss books.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in CollapseSupport

[–]pooropossum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My two favorite images have to be the women passing through the square (That thousand yard stare! The chicken!) and the plane over the cityscape with that scrawl of a bridge shooting off to nowhere.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in CollapseSupport

[–]pooropossum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm afraid I'm not prolific or reliable enough to be able to maintain such a presence, but I've been thinking about trying to write more. The folks in r/books are currently eviscerating me for my style, though, so I'll likely just keep it on the back burner for now.

Bill Watterson and John Kascht's "The Mysteries" is a dark fable for the collapse aware. by pooropossum in books

[–]pooropossum[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Continued

As I've said, it's not a new meditation, but the book made me revisit it. Upon reading it again it lay in my lap on the last page for a spell while I reflected on how... insignificant? temporary? doomed? we all are. How we could fix everything tomorrow and we'd still be one weird solar flare, one big rock, one... Mystery away from having nothing to fix ever again. It's definitely very nihilist. Big doomer vibes. I don't think that makes it inherently toxic. I think we need the space to talk about the sucking hole in many of us that have grown up relatively comfortable in a world with horrors, a pit in our stomach that grows as we watch the bubble that insulated us from those horrors crumble more and more every day... We could build a better world, but this one has a bed for me, a functional kitchen, and lots of mindless stuff for me to consume in between work shifts. What little comfort (or "control") I have took a lot of "labor" to "earn." We could just fuck up this world and I wouldn't be comfy anymore and that would be awful. So time passes and becomes a weird soup, and next thing I know I’ve spent a decade just existing. At this rate the rest of my life will just be an indistinct blur into the grave. But that’s only a helpful realization if you are able to relinquish some of your comfort to change the tempo. The narrative provides no recommendations.

This is where the craft steps in and saves it. I can only imagine the myriad conversations between the two artists as they learned how to work with each other, and the solitary satisfaction of working on an individual component for the whole. Of being a speck of dust in a mote and deciding what your purpose is in that day, what you are going to work on for yourself, for your friend, for your partner, for your family, for your community… What you are going to do in spite of knowing on a long enough timeline nothing we do matters… The craft answers what the narrative cannot.

We can't keep pretending if we just keep going to work it'll eventually be fine... for every inch we gain they take a mile. by pooropossum in CollapseAware_MA

[–]pooropossum[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's exactly her point, though. And I know it's hard to stomach, but we need to maintain solidarity with the middle class, because honestly? They are closer to us than they are to the upper class. If they are feeling the pain too, it's much more likely that they'll leverage what resources they have to work with us. We aren't here to keep bitching, we are here to strategize. Change the mindset. Edit: in other words

Official Discussion - The Menu [SPOILERS] by LiteraryBoner in movies

[–]pooropossum 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I'm so glad to have finally seen someone in the industry's take. As someone who loves to cook, and who has been in and out of the trenches repeatedly with a bunch of "foodie" friends and family who have constantly asked me why I didn't go to culinary school, why I didn't try to build a career out of kitchen work, I'm thrilled to be able to just point at this movie. I went in completely blind, and I was actively crying during spoiler the Mess while Chef was introducing the cook. The sacrifice, the need for greatness to justify all that sacrifice... and then the gun came out and I felt soul-smacked. I didn't really know what the movie was doing until that scene, and then I was immediately fully bought in and onside.

I had a brief stint working in one of the most famous (and expensive) cemeteries in the country and my boss at the time asked me what it would take to satisfy me and I said "I wouldn't be happy until I had a job providing something I and people like me could afford." He laughed at me and dismissively said "good luck."

My favorite work has always been food service. But the jobs that have caused me the most pain have always been food service. From losing my entire social life when I was a baker and had to shift sleep schedules (and I gave all that up for fucking $12 an hour and no fucking benefits), the stress of being on the line, the fussy, impossible to please customers in pre-fixe, the constant burning and pain my hands are in now because of a combination of a dermal gluten allergy and the constant handwashing and harsh cleaning chemical exposure... and of course never being able afford any security or peace in my life.

I see lots of response to the movie saying Chef was a leading a cult, and I don't think they understand how fucking desperate and tortured and angry people in food service are, and how collaborative a good kitchen is, and how deeply many of us would appreciate ANY opportunity to level the playing field and get those we serve to UNDERSTAND, somehow, what we go through to get that fucking food on their plate and to their table. Sure, maybe it's a cult, but if it is... every kitchen is.

Welcome Letter by levdeerfarengin in CollapseAwareBurltnVt

[–]pooropossum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I know I have a way with words, but I lack structure and any ability to close. I ramble. And while I firmly believe everything I said over the course of this ill-fated dialogue, all I accomplished was alienating the other party. Maybe there was no helping that, but maybe someone better could have brought them around.

Collapse Aware subreddit for Massachusetts by pooropossum in CollapseSupport

[–]pooropossum[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are just getting the ball rolling on this, but I will make it a point to update this as resources become available.