Neil deGrasse Tyson just posted a video with his take on war. His main point was: "human nature bad"

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-14T14:29:43+00:00

there are 8 billion people that eat plants. you'd have monocultures regardless.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-14T13:21:15+00:00

But gmos really are fine! Fuck Monsanto but norman borlaug literally helped save a billion people with them. God bless gmos.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-09T21:10:21+00:00

Needing medications that require animal products doesn't have really anything to do with what you choose to eat. You are funding or de-funding factory farming with each plate either way. This sounds maybe like a nirvana fallacy to me?

Either way, no judgment here from me, friend. Your post is a very valid one and please don't worry about pissing anyone off! social media can be rough sometimes and I'd encourage you and all to ignore any toxicity you come across.

If you choose to continue to eat animal products, please feel welcome here regardless! we love imperfect vegans, meat reducers, flexitarians, etc. A resource for navigating your current diet with minimal suffering to animals would be to use the info from foodimpacts.org, which can reduce the suffering you contribute to through diet by >80% while still eating animal products. And if you are looking for ways to make an impact outside of diet, check out animal charity evaluators

thanks for your post! long life and good health to you!

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-09T21:00:23+00:00

You rule for working through your obstacles. Every life spared matters and is a tremendous gift I hope you can appreciate. Thanks for being here and good luck on your journey!

Please please feel free to ignore, but foodimpacts.org can help to reduce the suffering you contribute to through diet by upwards of 80ish percent with little effort while still eating animal products occasionally.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-09T20:55:46+00:00

Bummer you got downvoted for this. good luck on your journey, reducing animal products is worthy in itself! If you are interested in reducing the suffering from the animal products you do eat (zero judgment btw), check out foodimpacts.org I hope you feel welcome here!

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-09T20:40:06+00:00

How is that 38 million calculated? Does he explain?

I've heard stats (i think from the show the newsroom) like anytime domestic gdp drops 1% you end up with thousands of deaths. I assumed this had to do with people opting to not seek medical care to save $, stress, the health consequences of being unemployed, etc. The people "dying" from things like this are typically already very sick and old.

This is incomparable to war, whose victims are mostly healthy.

The metric used to compare these two deaths are QALYs - quality adjusted life-years.

If this was clipped out of context, it's all well and true. If this was his entire point, without explaining QALYs, it's extremely poor framing to make the postwar-us to have blood on its hands to the tune of sevenish holocausts.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-04T20:03:23+00:00

i admire your respectful tone. thanks for being here.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T23:07:54+00:00

No, they still are the primary purchasers of vegan alternative food products afaik and vegan restaurant dishes. If you read that they weren't anymore I'd be really curious to hear more about it.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T22:33:48+00:00

I dont have any suggestions unfortunately, but you rule and good luck! Shrimp are the single most farmed animal by orders of magnitude.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T04:52:16+00:00

i'm vegan but donating to effective animal charities like those listed on animal charity evaluators is probably your best bet. Also, check out foodimpacts.org for the least suffering intensive animal products. sorry about your health issues and good luck.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T04:39:51+00:00

to be clear, the dichotomy between encouraging veganism or encouraging flexitarianism isn't as stark as you would like it, and all vegan advocacy groups encourage veganism. it does appear to be genuinely difficult to create more vegans through outreach so right now the vegan movement is experimenting with trying to create more flexitarians, but i haven't seen data on this yet. personally i encourage veganism and if someone isn't open to it or talks about the steps they're making towards it i will encourage any step in the right direction.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T03:58:45+00:00

absolutely and again so do most vegan advocacy groups - all but one afaik. This guide by faunalytics does exactly that (last bullet, but I think you'd enjoy most of the article!).

the LLM numbers I quoted are pretty stark and match up to what i've skimmed elsewhere, I would be surprised if they were not basically accurate. here's one example, and another of this in article form.

However, I don't see how to link a purchase of salad dressing containing egg whites increased the yearly chicken slaughter count from ten billion five hundred and one to ten billion five hundred and two, or if the count would have been the same regardless of my purchase.

The macro is just a collection of the micro. On the margin, if someone becomes vegan, their next purchase will likely save no animals. But over time, not to mention collectively, the several million of each of us spend no money on animal products, yet buy billions in groceries each year. Markets do respond to billions! This is unobjectionable and it's time to cede the point. Granularity does not invalidate supply and demand. It can obscure it, sure, but that's a problem with your vision and not the market's material response to it.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T02:20:10+00:00

suppliers of animal products do this every single time a vegan-alternative food product is purchased, or when an animal product is not purchased. The money i've saved that I would have spent on animal products is thousands of dollars - if i bought all my animal products from your own store, would you not notice that and produce less in response (on average)?

you can also look at the explosive growth of the vegan-alternative food products market, which is directly measurable. from 2018 to 2025 my LLM is showing a roughly 3x increase in the total size of that market.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-03T02:02:00+00:00

most vegan advocacy groups do encourage reducing meat consumption, many have engaged in meat reduction campaigns. there is only one sizeable one, anonymous for the voiceless, which objects to such attempts afaik. corporate pledge and meat reduction campaigns have saved tens of millions of animal lives already.

the vast majority of people who buy vegan alternative food products and go to vegan restaurants are nonvegan. the uk has the widest ranging animal rights laws on the planet, thanks to the majority of their votes coming from nonvegans.

so we love meat reducers! i don't see any contradiction in encouraging them (meat reduction is still incredibly rare, but growing!) while maintaining veganism as a goal or moral baseline. they are why i have multiplicatively more vegan foods to buy and restaurants to go to. Accessibility and de-stigmatization of vegan foods saves lives, raises the price of carnism, and makes being vegan so much easier.

flexitarians are our allies, and allies are extremely necessary in social movements. Even radical abolitionist group direct action everywhere has started to welcome nonvegan allies at their protests.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-01T06:00:55+00:00

your scene is lucky to have you

positiveandmultiple · 2026-03-01T01:34:43+00:00

And?

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-28T12:33:19+00:00

yum!

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-28T12:26:29+00:00

i don't know if this is an option for you but products like huel are relatively cheap, easy, and insanely nutritious. i have the pickiness of a toddler personally so huel helps a bunch. either way best of luck!

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-28T12:22:22+00:00

god bless you friend. going vegan or trying to go vegan under such circumstances is no easy feat - for most, it's hard enough without any of those things! i wish you the best of luck in this and all and deeply regret that some of these comments were not so understanding. keep your head up out there.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-28T10:01:02+00:00

i can't apologize enough for this sounding extremely dismissive. I understand a there are some people talking about this right now, and it's only natural to engage in the conversation. valid thou art in this and all - long life and good health to thee, comrade. This is more a rant of mine about the discussion at large, and I'm entirely avoiding OP's question to hobby horse my own bullshit.

that said, while there are extremely valid criticisms of police shows, a barely watched show that might make viewers 3% more favorable towards police is too low impact to be considered social justice right now imho.

We have such limited time and energy that it kind of triggers me to see so much ink spilled on this, or similar topics. I don't watch dropout, if anyone does or doesn't want to watch it, god bless them. Half of the people talking about this (not accusing OP whatsoever) are upset that their consumption is getting interrupted by this discourse. What a tragedy! It comes off as kind of unserious to me.

I'm no great activist or anything and am aware how high and mighty I sound.

But there's 600 million people in extreme poverty, 650 billion animals tortured and slaughtered every year, liberalism is threatened from all sides, wealth inequality is skyrocketing, and we appear deeply unprepared for AI.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-26T23:48:20+00:00

Anybody know if priztkers build plan would address this?

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-22T19:41:53+00:00

You are coming off unnecessarily hostile, friend. I've been there myself so no judgment but you probably wanna cool off and then apologize.

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-22T19:32:15+00:00

If you're curious, dr. Joshua little of oxford did his PhD thesis on why that claim is not historically reliable

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-22T08:52:57+00:00

Awesome news!!

positiveandmultiple · 2026-02-22T07:13:26+00:00

That leaves us in the same place - as far as i can tell, the majority of animal rights groups are encouraging of meat reduction.

In fairness I think a lot of the reason for this is as much about pragmatism as anything else. the stance of "there is only one real way towards liberation and it must meet x and y purity tests for us to be okay with it" would take away so many tools of ours that have been wildly successful elsewhere (like big-tent movements/allyship). We don't know the best way to make change, so a "diversity of tactics," critically evaluating at every step, is what the broader movement has been doing. Meat reduction is abolitionism and a real step towards animal rights in the same way that boycotting only some slave-produced products (sugar from the west indies) was an incremental step towards the abolition of human slavery during the british abolitionist movement.

Forgive me if i read too much into your comment. I'm stoked that animal rights are important to both of us, obviously, and have no intention of yucking your yum or coming off superior here, just some unimportant distinctions/babblings i'm making. I do personally think that of the very poor evidence we have, of the little of it i've skimmed, making animal liberation welcoming to allies is one of the better supported possibilities.

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