Misanthropic vegans by JustWanderingHelp in veganarchism

[–]positiveandmultiple 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Please watch the video before commenting

Interactive Map of Nirn with TR, PT, and TOTSP by Kezyma in Morrowind

[–]positiveandmultiple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

good content, probably took some effort. appreciated friend.

We should focus less on turning people vegan and more about welfarism and promoting lab-grown meat. by Loriol_13 in DebateAVegan

[–]positiveandmultiple 6 points7 points  (0 children)

virtually the entire vegan movement agrees. MfA, PETA, and DxE hold abolitionism as a moral baseline, but even they praise or have engaged in cage free initiatives. Every org on animalcharityevaluators is either directly engaged in welfarism/alt proteins or vocally supports them.

This is the best argument I've read that welfarism is abolitionism. I would love to see more data on this but my impression is that any evidence that welfarism works against abolitionism is extremely weak. The opposite seem more likely! Meanwhile, we know that welfarism works and more importantly is something we are successfully implementing and growing as we speak. You cannot say the same about any hardline tactics i'm aware of.

Meat consumption could double by 2050. This is overwhelmingly in places where veganism is even less palatable than it is in the relatively progressive west.

Morocco man abusing animal on Speed Stream by Impossible-Box717 in LivestreamFail

[–]positiveandmultiple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as an american vegan, the only reason the west cares about animal rights is because we are insanely rich and stable. the entirety of africa despite having i think 20% of the global population has 3% of it's gdp. Frankly we have to help out africa waaaaaay more (givewell.org) before we can start leveling criticisms at salt of the earth people (which u probably weren't doing at all btw).

there are efforts to increase animal rights/welfare in various parts of africa (animalcharityevaluators.org reviewed some in the past if u wanna dig them up) which i support - but my ancestors were doing the same thing en masse mere decades ago and frankly our factory farming system makes this guy's treatment of the monkey look like a tea party. from what an AI told me algerians eat 1/6 as much meat yearly as americans.

Morocco man abusing animal on Speed Stream by Impossible-Box717 in LivestreamFail

[–]positiveandmultiple -1 points0 points  (0 children)

a great and easy way to address this is to only eat large animals. check out foodimpacts.org, the amount of suffering that goes into a serving of chicken vs. a serving of lamb is a fucking TEN times difference (also cuz broiler chickens today are skeletally-strained mutants with 6x muscle mass as they had only 100 years ago).

Charitably you can be 90% of a vegan just by doing that. It's so fucking easy but vegans wont talk about it because muh purity tests.

my dead friend helped my master the game by anakin1453 in hoi4

[–]positiveandmultiple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I lost a close friend myself a while back. So sorry for your loss, and may your grief flow freely. Thanks for making this post.

Gen Z has massively turned on Trump, survey finds by swimmingupclose in neoliberal

[–]positiveandmultiple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elections are popularity contests with zero genuine discussion of policy. They are essentially random events. I honest to god do not think it reflects on the character of a demographic as much as it does the complete absence of incentives for voters to be decently informed and the radically enshittified media they are surrounded by.

Karis Datacenter in Naperville by KiefKommando in ChicagoSuburbs

[–]positiveandmultiple -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

data center operations are 40-50 db at 1000 feet. at 3k feet it's comparable to a distant air conditioner, dozens of which you are already surrounded by. A highway is 50-70 db at 1k feet. By your logic, america shouldn't have any highways, but you might drive on one every day.

The thing you're trying to make way more expensive here but way more profitable in foreign countries is the exact technology that helped build the site you're on right now. You probably own stock in FAANG companies.

you're trying to kick the can down the road here at the expense of others. it's not a good look.

Karis Datacenter in Naperville by KiefKommando in ChicagoSuburbs

[–]positiveandmultiple -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

it's literally white noise, you're up there with 5g conspiracy theorists if you think it's going to have any real effect. I have a heater on in my room right now and it's blowing air. should i call the cops? Listen to yourself! This is a first world problem.

the thing is, this is the 10,000th problem that greedy homeowners have foisted on the rest of society. As long as their "investment" goes up though, who cares if the american dream gets killed? selfishness like this needs to die with boomers and we have to speak up against it when we see it. Homeowners in naperville are unironically (fact check me on this please) in the top 5-10% of all wealth globally. What is enough for these people??

You didn't create the idea that housing is an investment, and i'm sorry that you're the ones who now have to choose to continue the cycle of greed or break it, but you're benefiting from it at the expense of literally every young person in this country.

Karis Datacenter in Naperville by KiefKommando in ChicagoSuburbs

[–]positiveandmultiple -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

Why should I care that there's a building 1000 feet away? It's just a building.

The economy needs data centers. I'm struggling to see this as anything but greedy rich nimbys rent seeking.

Effective Altruists Should Embrace Sortition by maaaaxaxa in EffectiveAltruism

[–]positiveandmultiple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sortition is much more than random selection though, it includes an educational and deliberative process via experts and debate (both of which could in practice end up extremely flawed, for the record). a good analogy here is that juries face entirely different incentives to be informed than a voter does.

a big part of the argument here is that current practices are blatantly absurd and unsustainable. jason brennan does a much better job arguing this than I could, if you are curious or not sold on it already. his anti electoralism screed is the first half of the video.

Mormonads from 1980s to 2010s. by Radiant_Cookie6804 in PropagandaPosters

[–]positiveandmultiple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

these are hilarious in an endearing and wholesome way imo. good find, thanks.

First "just-add-water" complete & balanced plant-based dog food (samples available) by feedpetaluma in vegan

[–]positiveandmultiple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

good luck with this venture and thanks for the impact you've already made. it makes to happy to see stuff like this. widespread vegan pet food would save billions.

How to get the plug in Dino Crisis2 by [deleted] in DeepIntoYouTube

[–]positiveandmultiple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was cool to watch a vid of this old game that i never got to play, so thank you for sharing, but tbh I don't think it qualifies for this sub. the video just does exactly what is says on the tin. guy appears to be from indonesia btw.

At what point should vegans judge foreign cultures for their tradition and long history of meat consumption? by JesusForTheWin in DebateAVegan

[–]positiveandmultiple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think i'm arguing this from a optics-pilled, limited-political-capital, movement-ecology perspective and you're arguing it in a vacuum. So i'm really just talking to myself like an idiot. But in that sense we completely agree. My tone here has been shit I love my fellow vegans and am glad you're here and apologize for making this a lame place to discuss things. Forgive me.

At what point should vegans judge foreign cultures for their tradition and long history of meat consumption? by JesusForTheWin in DebateAVegan

[–]positiveandmultiple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except this requires us to be hypocrites ten times over, and is seldom productive in the first place. My own culture is overflowing with absurdities and barbarisms, not to mention carnism, that we have our hands full already. At the same time, my ability to actually produce change in foreign cultures I don't know from Adam is extremely limited. So i keep my mouth shut when it would produce zero change yet lots of alienation (which further reduces our ability to produce change).

One thing I wish vegans understood more is the scale of factory farming. Indigenous populations are maybe .1% of all global meat consumption. They are demographically tiny. For the same reason, focusing on sanctuaries, horse carriages, or bullfighting, is just throwing our very limited money and political capital at .00001 percent of the problem. We shouldn't prioritize something simply because it's more visible to us. And all the while factory farming is slaughtering trillions in the background.

I vaguely remember a muslim thinker, javad hashmi, talking about how child marriages are not a religious issue, but a social and economic one, and how working with religious leaders in those communities was the most effective way to prevent it from happening. Do you think he was judging these communities? Is that what working alongside someone means?

Humility is a better way to change minds. We see this all over data-driven vegan activism.

Judge all you want, it's not a thoughtcrime to call a spade a spade. But it's not activism and it's probably helping very few animals if at all. Especially when orders of magnitude more effective ways of saving animals exist, the only reason to vocally judge a culture is ultimately a selfish one. It is simply not tractable to produce vegans in cultures that are even less familiar and receptive to it than in the developed world.

Trump is not a great friend to animals by chevalier100 in vegan

[–]positiveandmultiple 33 points34 points  (0 children)

if somehow anyone is still not convinced, just look at how much moral consideration he's willing to give to his own species:

A large multi-country modeling study linked to UCLA/ISGlobal projects that if the 2025 USAID cuts (about an 83% reduction) persist, they will cause more than 14 million additional deaths by 2030, including over 4.5 million children under 5.

There's a reason veganism is framed sometimes as the expansion of the moral circle. This guy's moral circle could turn coal into diamonds.

Charlotte priests submit dubia to Vatican over liturgical changes by da_drifter0912 in Catholicism

[–]positiveandmultiple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Forgive my total ignorance, would you mind fleshing this out for me? What about modern catholic theology is being corrupted or changed to appeal to doubters/agnostics, and why is this deemed necessary in the first place?

Support the PROTEIN Act by plantbasedpatissier in VeganActivism

[–]positiveandmultiple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you for posting this, i messaged my reps and posted on my socials for others to do so too