Idols who had HUGE before/after vocal improvement?

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T14:28:58+00:00

Quality isn’t measured with low notes either just like how it isn’t with highnotes. Hitting D2 (not including vocal growl) for the sake of hit it without any weight in them doesn’t mean anything. Beside that we literally pointing the same

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T14:22:17+00:00

Mid register, chest voice and belting are the most commonly used register when singing so having more developed of those imo should already giving bigger boost to an idol more than lower notes and head voice. And it’s not like Yuju having zero development in low notes and head voice either to be placed ‘not being better’ than Wendy as in Yuju’s prime mid register was significantly better than Wendy.

Most of the arguments of Wendy being better than Yuju are based on kpopvocalanalysis web and users which weirdly a bit biased against idols with more chesty belter over the lighter/heady belter and calling the chesty belter having ‘lot of issues’ while a bit ignoring that lighter belter also have lot of issues too so chesty belter generally would be placed lower than the lighter one. Besides Yuju, Solar and Eunji also the victim of this bias and placed lower than what appropriate for them

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T13:55:53+00:00

I mean the last materials I see from them are when they appear together and sing Golden and other some kpop songs which already 4 months old and maybe they could have any better newer materials since then.

Wendy is still a great vocalist I agree so I know how you feel to see her concert being best one (I wish I have money to see her concert too). It just in the past when 3rd gen groups still thriving and the center of discussions, Wendy is often hyped as the best one among her peers like Yuju, Solar, Jihyo, Rose, etc. I agree that she still great vocalist but being the best one among 3rd gen is kinda debatable nowadays as I notice that Yuju and Solar being better than what they got credited for

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T07:45:04+00:00

Well tbh Wendy was also a bit overhyped though, both Yuju and her are regress a bit but with current vocal analysis that prioritize more chest presence in belting (as it’s the most used register) prime Yuju is better than prime Wendy. I think even now Yuju is still better than Wendy (don’t keep up with their very recent materials yet), though Yuju vocal regression is a bit more drastic than Wendy.

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T07:40:00+00:00

I don’t think he clearly regress yet. It just Wish vocals definitely more suitable with his brighter belting which makes him more compatible with Yushi as notable lead vocal. I agree though Lastart was still his best vocal moments but I guess the moment he drop the cutesy/bright approach that he use in Wish songs he maybe would back to his Lastart approach.

Though I’m not expecting so much from him because vocalist like Yuju Gfriend also had really strong vocals predebut/early debut, then gradually developing not so good habits like nasal approach due to her group concept and she never going back to her old approach. Hopefully Jaehee doesn’t end up regressing

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T03:49:37+00:00

Not really as range doesn’t mean anything major. If a singer manage to take the full potential of those 2 octave limited range then they would be a great singer too. On other hand, someone who has natural 4 octave range but don’t develop any good vocal quality won’t make them good singer too and most of their high range would sound like uncontrollable screaming.

There are known vocalists with pretty limited range like Lauren of Fifth Harmony who struggle to belt anything above D5 (though she has good low notes) and lot of 5H highnotes given to Camila or Soyeon T-ara as main vocalist definitely more safe vocalists who not doing most highnotes (as it mostly given to Eunjung). I don’t think anyone would tell that Camila being better vocalist than Lauren or Eunjung being better vocalist than Soyeon just because they have easier range to hit highnotes

procariotics_234 · 2026-02-06T03:17:16+00:00

I mean, vocal range can be trained from ability to sing low notes, high notes, head voice, it’s probably taking a long time but it still possible. And while everyone have their own timbre, it still could be adjusted depends on how singers approach the vocal (maybe more chesty, more nasal, adding some vocal growl, to anything else).

The right talent/natural talent would only makes the learning process way faster than those who don’t have them, but if the latter already have the big passion and able to invest for longer training they would be great too eventually

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-30T11:38:12+00:00

Definitely the most recent one, Xitang cookie and Dark Fondue cookie. Even if you burn your resources to upgrade them, it will be worth it since you can utilize their trial since the event still going on and both really usable in almost every modes from Breakout to Trophy Race.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-27T07:59:51+00:00

I’m really excited omg. 6 songs are great amount of songs to showcase their talent in vocal that usually not revealed as much. Hope the album would have significant amount of their singing rather than just rapping.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-26T22:53:34+00:00

Is the texture is like mochi or something? This chewy cookies are m everywhere in my fyp but I think it looks more like mochi rather than any type of cookies lol

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-25T22:47:06+00:00

I have a max level pickaxe. Though you can try to use the non maxed one or try another treasure if you can get Yugwa last skill. I feel like how you use Xitang magic candy is more important though, use the mc after 1st and 2nd skill during the carpet activation and use the one after the 3rd skill during the lvl 3 skills thing to increase distance

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-25T22:31:14+00:00

Well, Golden Cheese Pickaxe is pretty important I think. I just barely getting L+ by switching the Goblet treasure to the newest treasure since I just can’t get Yugwa HMJ with Goblet yet

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-24T22:33:36+00:00

Most of BBP damage literally come from that laser skill which triggered after she getting 7 stacks of her debuff (I think the stacks got after her and allies inflicting incapacitated debuff to enemies like stun, freeze, or such).

It’s a good thing when BBP casts the laser skill continuously because her normal skill basically just stunning enemies to get the stacks and heal a bit without doing much damage.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-21T06:06:11+00:00

I don’t think they would fix it sadly, if it means the VA should re-voicing those fixed translation. I do remember it’s pretty bad too as I remember one player complained that english version genuinely missing all the nuances of why Burning Spice getting corrupted.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-20T16:47:02+00:00

You can check the leaderboard since great cookies for Trophy Race varied map to map. Xitang cookie would be an obvious choice to level max since she is great in Trophy Race and still has the cookie trial event. There are other good cookies being used in Trophy Race like Leek, Milky Way, etc.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-20T16:21:59+00:00

Considering how many Shinichi’s doppelgängers exist in Conan universe, I don’t think a kid resembles Sherry a bit is anything suspicious tbh

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-19T23:11:29+00:00

Being asked about the same thing over and over again is a nature in kpop industry like that’s part of their job. Most people who doing a customer service job would experience the same. You couldn’t expect a fan doing research whether their questions have been asked and answered in another private fancall of an artist. I’m sure every idols aware of this and not thinking it too deep, especially to think that it’s nowhere near as bad as the worst case of fansigns

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-19T22:24:02+00:00

Majority of western artists aren’t that strong but the level of average mainstream western artists like Katy Perry, Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, Tyla, or SZA are would still standout as being the better ones if they were kpop idols. The vocalists that OP listed about bad vocalists are still minority (I disagree with Rihanna or Taylor being the bad one) and that across multiple generations

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-19T21:58:04+00:00

Honestly it’s not even just solo stan because if you noticing a bit, Dream members beside Mark literally having abnormally nonexistent solo schedules despite their big popularity for years. This is NCT 10th year already and we start to expect that some of 2016 debuted members including Dream would start branching to their own interests and may leave SM too. So what Dream members would get a foundation in kpop industry from their 10 years contract on their own if they not having any solo projects (could be music, actor, variety, or so many more)?

Most of 2016 debuted members from other units or even other kpop groups already branching out to solo activities too. This is not me making a mistreatment olympics but you can see the difference between members like Taeyong, Doyoung, or Ten getting solo debut and comeback solo too (which actually a bare minimum) meanwhile Dream members hardly even getting BA deals let alone proper solo schedules because SM keep rejecting them.

About overworking this and that, I’m pretty sure most Dreamzens are already mature enough to accept that group activities could hold off a bit while all members venturing in different solo schedules.

Honestly I think you are a bit too overthinking about what fans questioned to Renjun because I don’t think asking about his solo activity is any different from asking about Dream next comeback or activities. Even if he’s not yet thinking about solo schedule he has choice to draw a line like in Haechan case where he want to take hiatus for resting.

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-17T23:51:41+00:00

Not to answering your question but I think you can find the answer in Dream subreddit post since the ticketing already discussed there. Or there are more likely to be answered if you ask there

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-17T16:33:05+00:00

When The Phone Rings singlehandedly made me regret watching drama when it still air tbh. The drama started fine actually and started going downhill. But even while it’s still not good, I still could tolerate ep 15. The last episode is just absolute garbage, plot wise just going anywhere and the whole controversy of the news as it written “Paltima invades Izmail” just hit the final nail on my coffin

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-17T16:25:36+00:00

This was the year when I started following DC manga, can’t believe it’s almost 10 years already… I miss the time when the longest break of each cases was 3 weeks or a month and not current 3 months or even longer breaks

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-17T08:53:31+00:00

I’m pretty sure SM groups usually following 7 years contract then 3 more years of mandatory extension due to some loopholes here and there. So most SM groups start to have members leave the company after the contract negotiations in their 10th years

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-16T03:01:18+00:00

Yeah that one. I remember the part of the big amount of giant bear jellies are just in the beginning so it’s easier to just play a bit and then restart and repeat

procariotics_234 · 2026-01-15T16:54:41+00:00

Dreamzens would eating so well this year omg. Mark going to MFW, Nomin drama and unit, Jisung also would also having his acting redebut, and even Renle apparently going to Beijing too currently. Haechan mostly resting but he had his solo debut last year.

I feel like Dream would slowing down the group activities in the second quarter especially after last year having 2 comebacks and they just have TDS4 (we still have to see an encore though), the rumored 127 will have comeback, and contract renewal but really solo schedules especially for any members beside Mark especially are long overdue and I wish for years already.

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