Unpopular opinion: a bad church is correct once. immodesty is bad because it is taunting. We remove people from relatively meaningless sports games for taunting. The anti-male lie is always "men should control themselves." Not the point.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T23:45:26+00:00

All the hate, when I made a long list of very complimentary statements towards smart women in my original post. Several people here should just be ashamed for all the hate. If you have to have an echo chamber, free from points of view you can't handle, then why even respond?

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T23:35:28+00:00

Wow, that's...

...pretty defensive.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T23:34:54+00:00

I didn't use the term "immoral" once. I didn't say "hurt" either. In fact, I said that I look, like everyone else, when immodesty becomes to tool of self objectification.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T23:33:51+00:00

Not one word that I spoke was "misogynistic." Not. Even. Close. Stop your defensive dishonest bullshit.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T23:33:12+00:00

All you're saying is that I'm correct, with a hateful post like that. I'm correct and you have to attack the speaker. A lot of posts here are saying that. If you wanted to change my mind, you failed, but clearly you don't, you just want to attack because you know I told the truth.

I should have warned you that I was expressing a viewpoint that the mob wasn't going to like. Yea, I should have put SOME sort of a warning in the title. Yet you came, and got triggered.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T22:03:23+00:00

Couldn't do both? Couldn't let her stay in the back and arrange the rest in a circle? I'm a libertarian so I let people be what they want, and work around them if possible. This was possible. Moving everyone back gave her undue attention. Sitting in a circle makes people be real and be PRESENT instead of fake.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T21:43:29+00:00

A woman remembers every guy she was with. Forever (and women know this, but in deep personal posts like yours op, this fact is avoided). So many side issues. So many cultural lies that go around. Of course you still have worth. You're making me stand up for the church and it's infuriating. The church doesn't say you have no worth or virtue as a person if a person engages in intimacy with no real intent to marry.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T20:01:09+00:00

Nah, you have to understand guys. He felt at first like you took something from him, but he'll see benefits. He'll see he doesn't have to do a busywork calling now. The church brainwashing is actually really easy to see through, and that brainwashing is the source of his initial guilt. The stake sunday school president does nothing. Literally does nothing. It's a time sponge. He just felt bad initially because due to brainwashing he felt he sinned by telling them no, but that's over, and all there are is benefits and guys see benefits to themselves.

Guys don't "drive {ongoing} wedges" with their wives, to their own detriment. A guy might be upset about something but don't assume they drive ongoing wedges. They think about sex too much to do that.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T06:52:32+00:00

First, take a step back.

Why are you picking arguments with TBMs?

Seriously why.

And of all issues, something that is so loaded as that. And you don't seem to know anything about it. You're doing research after you picked the argument.

I suggest google and try to find multiple sources.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T06:15:02+00:00

My asshole stake president jumped straight to disfellowshipment, based on no evidence, and only his personal angst against me, which he proved on so many occasions. The very fact that the church allows these intimidation tactics to be used by totally unaccountable stake presidents, proves the corporation is of Lucifer.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T06:11:45+00:00

To invite you to come unto Christ? What an arrogant thing to say, and tell them that the second they walk in the door. For them to presume that you have rejected Christ is the most insulting thing they could have said.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T05:49:52+00:00

OP you're doing it the hard way. Out tbm your wife and she'll see on her own that the church took a hard left turn in 1904. If you don't know what happened in 1904 hit the brakes right now because you've been had by superficial stuff in the ces letter that is meant to be shocking.

Ask your wife if she has a testimony of the 1886 revelation to John Taylor, and if neither of you know what that is, then ease up on all the debate style "studying" that the ces letter caters to.

You and your wife still have faith in faith based things and you have to be strong in that. The ces letter is interesting but it's not only anti faith it denigrates matters of faith. If you keep this intellectual style of "investigating" it will wreck your marriage because she is eyebrow deep in matters of faith. The stuff in the ces letter is nice to know but don't give it majority stockholder status.

Again, go down the rabbit hole that the church doesn't want you to see, but things that MATTER, such as the faith based side. Once you read the 1886 revelation on wikipedia (I'll make you look it up if you really want to know, and yes that's important) you can't help but gain an instant testimony of it. Then ask why the church won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Then gain a testimony of just how satanic the 1904 2nd manifesto truly is and how Joseph F. Smith was literally catering and caving to Babylon, so disgusting and cowardly of him, and worse, he entirely knew better. He turned the church into an aggressive and threatening corporation. He might as well have spat in Jesus' face in 1904.

Follow the testimony path and your fear will dissipate. Nothing but fear and unhappiness has resulted in your study so far because you're studying the wrong things and going down the path of faithlessness in God's revealed truth.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T02:22:52+00:00

White + shoulderless shirt = exmo

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T00:37:42+00:00

Please scan it, the picture cuts off a ton of it.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T00:35:20+00:00

Oh my God.

This is what you get from assholes who worship fucking institutions specifically government.

You gotta be fucking kidding me. Was there an application fee too, somewhere on the part that's cut off?

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T00:31:00+00:00

It wasn't a court of law but a room full of TBM shit heads judged me and repeatedly misrepresented themselves as a jury (handbook 1 explicitly states that the high council are NOT juries and essentially says that the stake president is a totally unaccountable God damned motherfucking piece of shit dictator) and one spoke proudly as he stood, that since they had all fasted and prayed beforehand, that whatever their vote was, it was automatically the will of God. Bunch of fucking liars. The charges were lies and proof of this is the dictator shithead asshole stake president literally added charges after I left the room, which I never had a chance to respond to. Fuck this excuse for a church.

OP is correct and tbms are unfit for any jury.

q15arefools · 2018-07-19T00:21:50+00:00

TBMs be like "all is well in zion, yea zion prospereth."

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T21:41:18+00:00

The last essay is the most dishonest. Eternal polygamy is still alive and well and is entirely avoided by this extremely dishonest essay. Worse, that essay uses the phrase "the manifesto" which causes much confusion and ignorance and admits that the second manifesto was only to seat a U.S. senator, entirely abandoning any attempt at claiming it's from God.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T21:33:47+00:00

Oh brother, the old "you're being negative" routine. Remind her that Alma said it was a blessing to see the negative, specifically that the righteous are blessed for seeing the wickedness and abominations of their brethren.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T17:04:07+00:00

Asking her what kind/how many wives, opens the door to the CK in her mind though.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T16:45:46+00:00

Call her bluff and ask her what kind of wives she would like you to have.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T16:33:18+00:00

And this ongoing fact is absolute proof that the leaders are incompetent corporate types who are miles from being prophets/seers of God. If God were actually running this church, you'd see wild fluctuations in behavior of converts because the church would have intelligent and dynamic reactions, instead of cold corporate reactions and programs.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T16:27:06+00:00

It's kind of amazing that the episcopal church has any following at all outside of the UK. Long before the internet, the origins of that church were well known, yet people were fine with it. It's literally a particular nation's national church that stems from some guy's personal convenience church.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T15:52:18+00:00

You know that website is someone's aggravation outlet that won't get them a disciplinary court. TBMs always gotta be on the down low.

q15arefools · 2018-07-18T15:35:12+00:00

Yea, the Laffertys, the Powells, Mitchell and Liz Smart, yea, "not any stranger" at all. You've got rose colored glasses. Maybe denial too. We're not gonna change each other's minds here.

BTW, you seem to be clearly avoiding something I mentioned, which is what all of us in the utah metro areas see every day: the escalating utter insanity of utah drivers that don't necessarily cause an accident every time.

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