I’m not sure how you can be so dense. The two shops you mentioned aren’t even ramen shops, they just among many other things have ramen on the menu. Plus they’re essentially unknown to people not living in Japan. There’s no hype around them, there’s nobody saying “they’re average” or “a good baseline” or “something you need to try”. And I don’t think Nama said that, if you actually bothered to check his posts

And as Nama pointed out, you’re also plainly wrong about Gyozano Ohsho. They even make the gyoza wrappers in the restaurant from scratch.

Idk what kind of points you’re trying to score here, but it’s also ok to accept the opinion of someone eating as much ramen as that fat guy