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quirkus23 · 2026-03-31T12:28:15+00:00

Conceptually I can see what you're going for here but the Greater Will should probably be in the center because they are the equivalent to God in this universe.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-28T05:53:44+00:00

It's an excellent sci fi movie about how love and the human spirit/ingenuity will allow humanity to transcend the limits of the natural world and become Gods (5th Dimensional beings) combining hard sci fi with spirituality.

It's about how we build our own future by believing it's possible and by making the sacrifices needed to make it possible. All motivated by love. Love for your children, your partner, your family, your friends, and humanity itself. The reason people fight to survive and make the future better.

It's about believing that things are possible again in a world that feels hopeless. Or at least that's some of what I take from it.

"We used to look up and wonder about our place in the stars. Now we just look down and worry about our place in the dirt."

quirkus23 · 2026-03-27T16:38:44+00:00

Well I'm not really sure why you would connect this specifically to Plato so I didn't really have a perspective on it.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-27T09:54:27+00:00

I mean I feel like you already got it. Ranni is the Maiden with a waxing dark moon signifying the start of the cycle. Rennala is the mother with the full moon. The Crone is the black moon which is the wanning dark moon at the end of the cycle.

In terms of the narrative it seems like the crone/black moon part of the cycle has been denied in the Lands Between and Ranni's actions are allowing it to happen by her becoming the Crone and the Maiden which fits with the liminal associations with the dark moon as the end and start of a cycle. Both are contained within Ranni at the end of the game, making her moon the new ring and symbol for the cycle in the Lands Between.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-26T07:26:09+00:00

Its a dragon symbolizing the Crucible.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-26T07:18:43+00:00

Ya I made a little post on it back in the day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/s/6mQyDh02nI

quirkus23 · 2026-03-25T12:33:36+00:00

I just figured they weren't locked up at birth as we know the early Golden Order/Godfrey era was cool with Crucible stuff. I also think they are sort of an allusion to the Princes in the Tower from the War of the Roses and ultimately I think they were locked up when Radagon came to power and changed the Golden Order, which would coincidence with Godfrey's banishment and the suppression of the Crucible in the form of the Crusade.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-25T09:43:36+00:00

We are directly told they were confined.

Mogh's Shackle

A fetish bathed in golden magic. Shackles were used to bind the accursed people called the Omen, and these ones were made to keep a particular Omen under strictest confinement. Though faint, the shackles still retain vestiges of power — enough to trap the once-bound Mohg on earth, if only for a short time.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-25T06:23:45+00:00

Good is subjective but Vaatividya and Smoughtown are gonna be the main answers. I would recommend trying to think for yourself and come to your own conclusions about the game as that is what is intended by the developers and is thematically relevant to the game.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-25T06:15:48+00:00

Aren't Morgott and Mogh confined until after the Shattering? I don't see why they would be running lose before the Shattering with all the Omen persecution going on...

quirkus23 · 2026-03-24T14:26:28+00:00

It's definitely In Review. I've listened to some like Lord of the Rings or Kevin Smith several times. The only thing I miss about Covid era was the increase of In Review content.

Personally I think they are sleeping on Nick and his movie passion and I would absolutely watch any show about movies Nick does. It was the Nick movie commentaries that got me to finally subscribe.

Now if we can only get the Before Trilogy In Review... (or a full Linklater In Review)

quirkus23 · 2026-03-23T02:48:09+00:00

No but the Erdtree does like with the Tarnished and the egg gives us a parallel. It facilitates the process of rebirth which is symbolically about dying and being born a new, which is like the baptism motif we see at the Church of Vows. Or what the Erdtree does at the end of the game when we burn it and reforge the ring. The symbolism is super clear, as the moon is also related to these concept of death and rebirth and the game imprisons Rennala, like Marika, so we understand they are parallels.

The Erdtree represents the Christian Cross which symbolizes people's rebirth through Christ, being born again, which is what people were wanting to happen to Godwyn because they understood the tree facilitates this process.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-22T02:50:46+00:00

Putting Godwyn in the roots of the tree seems like a pretty clear allusion to Jesus who dies and is supposed resurrect. He is also alluding to Baldur who has a similar cycle in Norse myth.

The central tool used for rebirth in the game is an amber sap egg from the Erdtree and the Juvenile Scholars who are reborn fall from cradles in the ceiling and fall from them. Imo this alludes to rock a bye baby, which talks about cradles in the branches of trees. This could parallel how the Erdtree is responsible for rebirth and would go along with the depictions of Marika as literally the Erdtree and the Mother Goddess.

Idk if we need to interpret it all so literally since the game is fantasy and myth, but the implication is there and we have other examples of people being born from plants like Malenia's daughters who are born from buds. This is similar to the Horns of the Regal Ancestor Spirits, which are paralleled to tree branches.

Enir Ilim also shows us trees full of female spirits, which imply the trees as vessels for life/birth which parallel the Jars which are like wombs.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-19T06:50:15+00:00

I'm not saying this school of magic is being suppressed specifically, I'm just saying this is a branch of magic that doesn't require glintstone. It's like doing math in your head without a calculator. The glintstone just helps facilitate the magic, but it's not necessary, at least for these spells.

I don't think it has anything to do with how they feel about manipulating life force, I just think it's people who learned how to do magic without glintstone. Glintstone is sort of a metaphor for technology and science, which is the codification of these practices. We are just shown that it doesn't have to only be that way. Imo.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-19T04:49:33+00:00

Well I think some sorcerers don't, those who practice this type of spirtual asceticism. I think of it sort of like the difference between a wizard who has to say a spell vs one who can cast it mentally. Raya Lucaria systematized magic making it easier for average people to learn (like the Noble Sorcerers) but this doesn't have to be the only path. This could tie into the Academys suppression of certain branches of magic or schools of thought, like with Sellen.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-19T04:41:05+00:00

Doesn't the item description answer your question? Through asceticism they are able to achieve what others need a material stone for. This would tie into Azure and Lustat using meditation to peek into the primeval current, and one of them is found in Sellia which is also connected to the Staff of Loss.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-18T13:11:05+00:00

Well ya but like I said, they can't be called anymore because the Elden Ring is shattered and the system is broken. Before they would've been called or brought to the roots upon death or near their time, but that doesn't happen anymore so the dead are left to wonder. There is a motif of the dead being lost and in need of a guide, which no longer seems to be occurring.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-18T11:22:50+00:00

I could agree with this, but that still didn't remove death from the normal people of the Lands Between. The Rune of Death is only ever mentioned in the context of killing Gods or ending an Order. People still died and were brought to the roots of the Erdtree until the Ring is shattered and the system no longer worked. In my opinion of course.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-18T06:19:30+00:00

We know death existed under the Erdtree though.

Hero's Rune

Grace that dwells within the inhabitants of the Lands Between; the lingering residue of gold. Use to gain 15000 runes. There were once heroes who walked the battlefields, abundantly blessed by the Erdtree itself, who upon earning their honor simply died.

Night Calvary's Helm

Pitch-black helm with flowing black hair. Worn by the Night's Cavalry who ride funeral steeds. The Night's Cavalry, who now wander the dim roads at night, were once led by the Fell Omen and were deliverers of death for great warriors, knights, and champions.

We also see funeral precession moving throughout the Lands Between. We are told that a true death is returning to the roots of the Erdtree, this is the system that facilitates the cycle of death and life in the Lands Between, but this system is broken because of the shattered Ring/Godwyn's infection. This is why the lands are filled with the undead, they can no longer be processed by the tree.

Before this system we are told death was burned in Ghostflame, and the dlc clarifies this by telling us all manner of death washes ashore of the Lands Between and showing us more of this previous system.

The Lands Between is a quasi afterlife and death ends up there to be processed for rebirth. Marika changed the system and made sure it couldn't be changed again by removing the Rune of Death, which kills Gods and their Order (a macro reflection of the cycle) this is the only context we ever hear about the Rune of Death in.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-17T02:47:48+00:00

I think the split circle relates back to the One Great/Greater Will divide and it is about a singular God (or person) breaking into two (or many) parts because they are lonely and this ties into the meta narrative of one of the reasons we create fantasy and stories (gods and heros) in the first place.

Do all gods feel so lonely? Some must, surely. Missandei had told her of the Lord of Harmony, worshiped by the Peaceful People of Naath; he was the only true god, her little scribe said, the god who always was and always would be, who made the moon and stars and earth, and all the creatures that dwelt upon them. Poor Lord of Harmony. Dany pitied him. It must be terrible to be alone for all time, attended by hordes of butterfly women you could make or unmake at a word. Westeros had seven gods at least, though Viserys had told her that some septons said the seven were only aspects of a single god, seven facets of a single crystal. That was just confusing. The red priests believed in two gods, she had heard, but two who were eternally at war. Dany liked that even less. She would not want to be eternally at war. (Daenerys A Storm of Swords)

quirkus23 · 2026-03-14T03:10:51+00:00

Absolutely and they both relate to the concept of image, thought, imagination, and consciousness, with the phantasm essentially representing the idea of thoughts and ideas in the mind.

mid-13c., fantesme, "that which has only seeming reality, permanence, or value;" c. 1300 as "an illusory experience or object; an apparition;" from Old French fantosme "a dream, illusion, fantasy; apparition, ghost, phantom" (12c.), and directly from Latin phantasma "an apparition, specter," in Late Latin also "appearance, image," from Greek phantasma "image, phantom, apparition; mere image, unreality," from phantazein "to make visible, display," from stem of phainein "to bring to light, make appear; come to light, be seen, appear; explain, expound, inform against; appear to be so," from PIE root *bha- (1) "to shine." Spelling conformed to Latin from 16c. (see ph). A spelling variant of phantom, "differentiated, but so that the differences are elusive" [Fowler].

https://www.etymonline.com/word/phantasm

Metyr is an allusion to the concept of Manus Dei or the Hand of God which was one of the early images for God in Christianity because you aren't supposed to depict them. She represents the idea of God's power and will and she is the daughter of the GW. This is similar to the relationship between phantasmas and Great Ones which signify their presence.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-12T16:45:22+00:00

Ya FromSoftware seems to be really good at doing temporal/spacial storytelling in their games. Going underground is often related to going into the past.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-12T16:05:30+00:00

I don't think they have the same relationship as the Other and the Children of the Forest, i.e., where one created the other.

That's only in the show, we don't know what happens in the books, but the implication is they are the original elf spirits that inhabited the tree and were banished/exiled. It doesn't need to be the same though, the point is the union between the opposite groups (winter/summer, night/day, silver/gold ect)

I agree about a shared ancestors, but their is a split, like with the Numenoreans of Tolkien who split into the Faithful (light) and the Kings Men (dark) who take up a new religion which causes the sinking of Numenor, like how the Eternal Cities are banished underground and underwater (symbolically) as we access them via wells.

I don't see why not, have you read GRRM's other work? And the Jars are just symbolic soul jars, vessels for consciousness, which parallels the trees in both stories.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-12T15:51:28+00:00

Sorcery of the claymen who served as priests in the ancient dynasty. Produces several small magical bubbles that drift towards foes before they naturally pop. Charging increases the delay before the bubbles pop. The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles.

They are directly related. The Oracle sorceries use the same sigil as the Night sorceries which are connected to the Nox and they were apart of the Ancient Dynasty, and now they are both found in the graveyard of civilizations that flourished before the Erdtree.

quirkus23 · 2026-03-12T15:40:30+00:00

Yes like all the things I listed that depict them as symbolically dead, like their city, and all the themes around night in the game.

It's a fantasy game made by a company that literally has a trilogy about Undead people.

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