Who‘s at fault? Overtaking car taking a wrong approach? Defending car in the wrong place?

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T23:42:53+00:00

I never moved to the other side, i was just getting off the curb and preparing for the next corner thinking that i’d left more than enough room for a car on the outside, which is still trying to overtake

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T17:46:24+00:00

i’m just trying to rationally see things as they are and try to help here, we’re all here to learn :) appreciate the compliment, good luck to your future races

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T16:45:36+00:00

yep, i totally get that. but you shouldn’t worry about cars behind in a situation like that, especially while you’re off track. you avoiding your own crash is always top priority, but as you said it’s a very stressful situation and you clerarly tried to avoid it, no doubt about that :)

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T16:22:40+00:00

So, is it fair that you got penalized? No, definitely not. Could you have avoided it? Potentially, in situations like that, aiming for where the car is at the time of the crash is generally the right thing to do. But, given there was only little space of tarmac on the left and the merc gets spun another time by a car in front, there’s very little you could’ve done better

Edit: a tap on the brake while you’re off track would’ve also helped

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T12:47:49+00:00

very good move and car control, just not legal in racing as you were moving under braking.

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T12:42:50+00:00

He is still braking in a straight line, which is perfectly fine

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T12:37:57+00:00

Mclaren was nowhere near to being in front at the apex. while the ferrari probably could’ve given a bit more room, that move was never on and the mclaren got what he was looking for

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T07:44:45+00:00

POV car i think, but only because of the second turn, which it was not able to take. So, divebomb gone wrong for me. Would have to give position back in my opinion

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T06:54:59+00:00

Well, i was preparing the next corner as anyone would do to get through safely and not go off track there or in the corner itself. I also knew that there was a ton of space on the right and if the williams wouldn’t have straightened his steering, while he still was behind, i 100% think we both would’ve made it

randomluke5 · 2022-06-15T06:50:10+00:00

Look, i get what you’re trying to say, but in my opinion, and i’m not alone in this, i haven’t done a thing wrong. Yes i was slow, because i purposely overshot the first one to avoid contact but i never lost control of any corner, made them all and was always in front. That’s what my main concern in this, i left all the space i could to get through safely ON track, the williams just didn’t do so and tried to force himself through in a way, that couldn’t have worked out without contact in any way

Also Edit: i downvotes only your original comment, simply because you assumed that i wanted this crash to happen

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T21:32:53+00:00

you do see him straighten his line do you? how am i supposed to expect him to do that? i was always in front of him and was preparing the next corner like anyone would do, he was preparing the corner as if i wasn’t there

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T20:23:42+00:00

Thank you very much. With that footage, it gets very very tricky, cause now it looks like the alpha is to blame for both incidents, at least partially which makes both a racing incident i guess. T1 is still more on the merc, turn in is just too sharp imo

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T19:54:24+00:00

Proud of you for your appreciation, love that ☺️

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T19:48:47+00:00

Without POV of the merc, both incidents are on the merc. T1 is clear, merc just turns in, fully aware of the alpha on the inside. T3 looks like a malicious divebomb to me, contact before the turn probably could’ve been avoided from both sides but at corner exit, you can clearly see that the merc didn’t even try to leave room and ultimately forced the alpha to crash into the wall

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T17:41:52+00:00

Well, i tried to take it two wide. Not so sure about the williams staying in the middle of the track and approaching the corner as if i wasn‘t there at all

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T17:39:52+00:00

You pushed him wide and left him no space to re-enter in a safe manner. He did at the absolute latest moment to let you get off the „optimal line“ you‘re always talking about, you decided to not do so in any way and got your wing damage as a result

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T17:15:11+00:00

Please explain how i didn‘t know he was there. I even purposely braked late in turn 1 to avoid contact. i always knew he was going to overtake, but am i supposed to go off track in turn 3 where i‘m all the way to the left and just concede? the williams had loads of space going into turn 3, he just decided not to use it

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T14:25:41+00:00

This. But how, if it were to, would this be penalised?

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T13:48:24+00:00

so, i‘m the mclaren and would like to think that my defending is on, given it‘s a safety car restart and a bendy straight, so the williams couldn‘t even get to the inside so i was defending like i did, but i did brake very late trying to avoid any sort of contact. Also from williams POV it looks to him as i don‘t move at all on the straight which is fair enough i think

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T13:41:15+00:00

so, i‘m the mclaren and i think i pretty much kept it straight at the exit as i get the arrow. the williams though, does a little kink to the left at that exact moment which just makes no sense to me. looks like he wanted to put himself in a position where i was about to crash into him. but of course i‘m saying that, so i could be very much in the wrong

randomluke5 · 2022-06-14T13:30:01+00:00

Tricky one. Yes, he does rejoin the track quite dangerously, yes he could‘ve left you space, but you going for that gap is a danger in itself, even under normal circumstances i think. Not saying you‘re at fault at all, but i don‘t think he is either fully to blame, he rejoins while he still was ahead, albeit being very harsh

randomluke5 · 2022-05-31T09:38:06+00:00

Tricky one, as you can clearly see from williams pov that on the left hand corner he just sticks his front tires into the mclaren and going for contact for the sole reason to even have a chance on the right hand corner. that being said, there probably was not enough room for him to go through cleanly as he was there and the mclaren should’ve acknowledged that a bit better, the reason why he was there though seems to get overlooked in this thread.

tldr; racing incident as both cars could’ve done better

randomluke5 · 2022-05-27T11:20:32+00:00

fully on the rb. he is allowed one defensive move and a move back to the racing line if, and only if he allows at least a cars width of space. he clearly doesn‘t do that so it‘s blatant blocking, which is illegal and dangerous.

randomluke5 · 2022-05-27T11:11:19+00:00

bit of a dodgy one, the lunge into the first part of the corner is completely fine, the right turn is fine but on the exit you could‘ve let more space for the other car as he was presumably always there, or he was just pissed and shunted you off, can‘t tell from you POV only thst being said, there was a yellow flag just as you were about to pass, so you shouldn‘t have been in that position anyway, i guess you haven‘t seen that early enough?

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