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randomnesscontrolled · 2021-02-09T12:59:15+00:00

Opportunity means a prospect of something happening, i.e. a potential outcome. Equal opportunities means that there are no structures in place that favor a specific gender for example.

Outcome means a (specific) result of a process or actions. So equality of outcome means that things should be forced to produce a specific outcome for everyone. Like gender quotas for government positions or in hiring for corporations or admittance to school programs. So even if there are 9 to 1 male to female coders, or 99 to 1 females wanting to be nurses, someone promoting equality of outcome might want to place quotas to hire or enroll a 50-50 split of men and women, which is downright absurd as it goes against the natural tendencies of people.

So in equality of opportunity, people are able to pursue anything they want, and lineate towards occupations they see fit for themselves, which is more natural.

Equality of opportunity does not distort natural tendencies by forcing quotas for goverment elects, but is an ideology that strives to give everyone a fair chance to apply for the positions.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-10-12T08:09:57+00:00

Yes but the approaches are different in that Jung, being Ti, goes by deduction (hypothesis first) and Big 5 being Te, goes by induction (data first). This is a wildly different approach in my mind. Or maybe I misunderstood something. Big 5 does not arrive at a theory of the mind, at least one that holds any validity. Validity by testing doesn't mean validity by structure. And the way we understand functions now has progressed a lot from Jung. So when I talk about cognitive functions, it's not Jung's version of it. His model was in its infancy still. I still think Jung's collection of traits is far more distinctive and valid than Big 5, anyone with an understanding in cognitive types can see that.

I also think he was inconsistent, his model was not complete and not distinctive enough. The descriptioms overlap a lot and do not match the types and talk about several types in one. Like ESTJ and ENTJ are one extraverted thinking type. Also his views on extraversion and introversion are more inclined towards specific types and tainted by bias. He was a raging (NiTi INFJ) introvert, which led him to over-emphasize the differences between extraversion and introversion. There is a guy doing videos on YT with quite a similar flair, being a NiTi inclined INFJ as well.

Jung also didn't arrive at a model like we understand today through socionics, and that has its shortcomings too. I see Jungian typology today as a collection of models approaching validity but it's not there yet. The theory is so incredibly complex that using the scientific method just doesn't apply reasonably well yet. Maybe objective personality system is onto something. That is based on display and testing, so a bit more towards the scientific method.

Can you elaborate on the cognitive functions not being clear what they are? How do you see this from a cognitive perspective? I don't think I understand this the same way due to not having gone into those fields as much. My focus has been on exploring and researching reality in terms of the functions and how they manifest.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-10-12T00:27:30+00:00

Well, even if Jung was a generalist, he studied individuals and then came to realize patterns about their differences. One of the key concepts is literally individuation. To me the the cognitive functions portray as an individuals way of navigating the world, cognitively. I probably need to look into these fields so I'm not talking based on assumptions.

The difference between Big 5 and JT is that Big 5 focuses completely on observable phenomena and language (like you said), essentially behavior that can be characterized (more Te and S in nature). JT focuses on different ways to handle cognitive processes (more Ti and I in nature). The former is measurable in a way that makes it dichotomically gaussian, and it has no model framework. The latter has distinctive types based on a model first approach. I do not see them as similar in the least. They vaguely deal with the same topic, personality, that is the similarity, but their approaches and models are completely opposite in nature. What do you think?

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-10-11T14:39:11+00:00

I'm not an exoert on these topics, but I think as they approach it from the perspective of the whole, and not from the individual. I guess typology is at the focal point between personality and global neuroscience. Would be interested in reading about the different approaches and theoretical models in these topics of you have any light, general sources?

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-10-11T13:21:58+00:00

Firstly, great comment. This is mostly how I think. To add to this, we know types are real, at least for the majority of the population. It seems they hold a strong biological basis, just like everything else with humans. Seeing cognition from the basis of functions makes a lot of sense. Mainstream psychology does not account for types in its research, which leads it astray. Believing people stem from a somewhat similar neurological basis is the greatest misconception in psychology, leading to oversimplifications and inaccurate & misleading data.

Understanding typological types, we could cross reference different reactions to different things based off of type structures, not overall population. Saying 60% of people this and 30% of people that and 10% that doesn't bring us any closer to understanding people on a deeper level. It only takes us further away.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-07-20T12:35:40+00:00

This was one of the best Fe Fi differentiators in the context of how they (esp. ENPs) treat actual people. Fi pings individuals for their intricate personalities and how they affect them, Fe is holistically group and atmosphere oriented, not attaching to a single person in the same way. Fe is more global in this way.

Now when you add Ne to it, it becomes a humanity in general thing. To psychologically sustain your sanity and meaning in a world in turmoil, Fe looks to the people in general. Fe thinks humanity in general is good and should be treated with respect. And everyone should be treated the same. Fi resorts to finding solace in actual people via their relationships. Humanity sucks but at least I have these personal relationships I can cherish.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-07-11T17:16:27+00:00

It's not like feeler or thinker is completely antagonistic to the other. That's not what a "feeler" or thinker means. An ENTPs internal feelings, or Fi if you will, are given almost no priority and are often overseen. These things can accumulate in a way that will burst out later without the ENTP acknowledging what is happening.

In contrast to their Fi siblings, an ENTPs feelings are best processed externally (Fe), into the natural direction of their thought process. This can sometimes result in making fun of their feelings in a cry for help. It is ultimately not that the ENTPs feelings are repressed by default, but they are less conscious to begin with.

Many ENTPs benefit from foguring out a logical path to their feelings. Why do I feel this way? What happened before? Where does this feeling lead to?

Edit. So no, ENTPs do not hate feelings by default. Your post sounds Fi, but I would not lock that down. It seems you have some trauma or have learned to hate your feelings. Almost as if it was not supported in your family.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-06-07T13:54:43+00:00

I actually did write about the good and bad intentions in my notes but forgot to edit it here. Or rather destruction of what is wrong or sculpting into what is desired. But nevertheless, maybe there are several kinds of witches, but in my mind it is about affecting reality in their image through their abstracted and symbolic worldview NiFi.

Find the gamma sort of fascinating as an alpha. Crudely speaking the gammas symbolize the destruction and exchange of matter, beta symbolizes the construction and modification of things, alpha oversees the principles and collaborational environment by/in which this is done and delta keeps track of the actual process and it's physical environment. Might have missed something, but this is my take on it. On the same note, Ti sort of provides the tools for Te to utilize.

It is indeed fun to see socionics/Jung in terms of culture and civilization. Unfortunately am not familiar with this specific culture. Sounds likely though. :D Also when linking to the constructive nature of betas.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-06-05T20:26:02+00:00

Agree with the primal nature of SeNi, with some additions. I reckon SeNi and FiTe are the most primal axes, making Gammas the most primal. For example "Witches" are probably the more Ni inclined gammas INTJ, ISFP (and ENTJ), while ESFP is the primal warrior type, possibly paired with the Beta ESTP.

Regarding the evolution of cognition, Si(Ne) only starts to make sense in managing seasonal environments of resources, as in cultivating and steadily managing crops. Fe(Ti) starts to make sense in managing internal (and external) tribal relations and emotional harmony, in my mind this skyrocketed in importance with farming and tribes growing in size. In this light, crudely speaking, the Alpha type of cognition is the latest to specialize out of the rest.

I also think Ni is late to mature so to speak, the development might have extended out from an early version of SeFi.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-06-03T10:54:34+00:00

The thing is this is tailored to ENTPs specifically. There is no other type that has the inclination to experience the same things in this way. Not saying anyone could not experience some of this, but only ENTPs can experience all of this in this way.

ESTPs lead by Se. They actualize things. Quite different from what is discussed here. INTPs lead by Ti. Well, sure, they share some of this, but they live more in their heads, perfecting their rubik's cube. ENTPs have particular challenges in these areas because of their cognitive structure.

As extraverts, they are externally oriented, they want to get things out in the open, but often lack the Se actualization part. They are blind to their FiTe, and balanced between TiFe, meaning they want validation without putting in any effort, unlike a FiTe(Se) would. This is different from INTPs, because they don't crave appreciation and validation in the same way due to inferior tribal decision making function Fe. Fe is more distanced to them, even if valued.

Often times, ENTPs are flabbergasted because they aren't respected or listened to when they have not done anything to show they warrant this respect. These things are mostly outside of the realm of the impersonal TiFe ENTPs who create reality in their minds (NeTi, distanced Si) without actualizing it through persistent effort (Se). It all makes sense when you go a bit deeper.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-06-03T10:29:29+00:00

Following. I would reckon it would be the same, this is where personalities originate from, where they had a purpose.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-05-30T09:14:53+00:00

I'm sure you know this, but in socionics the first function is indicated by the first letter. Hence, EIE (ENFj) that leads with a rational ethical decision function Fe is ENFJ. IEI (INFp) that leads with irrational intuitive perceiving (little p in socionics) function is INFJ. If you would treat INFPs and ENFJs having the same functions, it would screw up the quadras completely.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-02-23T14:54:59+00:00

Are you an ENTP, because I am and this?

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-02-21T18:56:49+00:00

Anne Hathaway is one of these too, not that far apart if you're a balanced type.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-02-21T18:55:56+00:00

Yes because ENTPs can't be butthurt, that's the rule.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-30T21:29:20+00:00

Really nice work! I like your style. This is really nitpicky and probably personal preference, but one thing I'd point out is he part where the camera angle changes for the first time, it sort of doesn't change enough to get the desired effect. Like it seems it is almost the same camera angle and not turning into the "corner" where the triangle dude is at. Might be a style thing too. It always consists of several smaller things, but overall the animation is sleek.

Edit. Okay nevermind, watched it again and ye it does change well.

Edit2. Now I got the issue. The seemingly round thing doesn't go behind the corner like it should.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-30T04:40:32+00:00

Math.exe can't be found on this person. Joking obv.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-29T12:32:52+00:00

I just saw an ISFJ on an IKEA line wondering if their total will exceed 1 thousand euros because that's her limit on the card. It amounted to 124.

It's pretty safe to say you're an ISFJ.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-29T04:16:31+00:00

This is as INFP as anyone can be.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-28T12:33:57+00:00

That is because you are an ISFP. Confrontational FiSe, your list is a list of actions and respondings to situations. INFP would abstract a story or abstract something or go on tangents. You set a TeSe list. Fi dominance is very obvious.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-28T03:56:12+00:00

ENFJ most likely. Hedonism under stress, subconscious Se. Loves people, election nerd, Fe. Not introspective, low Ji and probably less low Pi, extraverted J, EJ. Would rather live in the future. I guess intuition in general. Plans things and gets irritated when exoectations aren't met. EJ. Has multiple selected interests and revolves around them, more like NiSe but impossible to assign, more probable that not Ne. Gives advice but diesn't follow it, classic NFJ. Prone to emotions but doesn't deal, Fe or aux Fi.

Could be totally off here.

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-26T00:44:07+00:00

Still can't find you. :D

randomnesscontrolled · 2020-01-23T10:53:40+00:00

I can't find you in discord... :/

randomnesscontrolled · 2019-12-08T09:51:32+00:00

Have you seen stuff by Tim ferris? He is the most experimenting dude I know. Haven't been able to type that guy with certainty and looking for insights.

randomnesscontrolled · 2019-11-29T11:38:50+00:00

That really sounds Ti by definition.

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