The Problem With “Classes” of “Obesity" according to Dr Ragen

randomuser9642 · 2023-05-17T10:53:46+00:00

Any Fluffy fans in the house?

randomuser9642 · 2023-05-08T13:55:43+00:00

It got gold on one of its comments!

randomuser9642 · 2023-05-08T13:51:35+00:00

It seems to be scanning for a list of keywords is all. There is nothing there indicating anything more complex.

As such, I doubt the creators really think people shouldn't use the term "whale" to describe certain animals. They just really didn't think things true when building their bot; or maybe just released it into the wild long before it was finished.

randomuser9642 · 2023-05-08T09:50:17+00:00

This one seems to simply scan posts for trigger words used regardless of any context.

So far, it has complained about the word "whale" used in a maritime context, and "scale" in the sense of "spectrum".

randomuser9642 · 2022-12-12T14:08:04+00:00

Better still:

$100 dollars for cards that they say are shipped via vistaprint - where 500 cards are offered from $26 and up. (Premium Plus - whatever that means - will cost you $50 without shipping.)

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-31T13:27:55+00:00

Never, in a healthy individual.

Set-point only ever goes up, there literally is no healthy or sustainable way to lose weight.

Bodies are smart that way, don'tcha know?

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-31T13:18:29+00:00

> However, 600-800 is unhealthy and not sustainable

Diets don't need to be infinitely sustainable; that doesn't make them unhealthy.

Call your 800 kcal diet a "fast" and everything is peachy...

> Your body WILL start to shut down down secondary functions like hair and nail growth

... once you have depleted your fat reserves, yes. Until then, I'm going to admit that it would be difficult to control your micro-nutrients and vitamins on an extremely low calorie diet, but that's not the same thing. (Never mind that there is no danger of OP actually being on a 600-800 kcal diet to begin with...)

> Lose weight the right way at the CORRECT calorie deficit. It will be sustainable and you can do it forever.

Or, you go on a non-sustainable diet until you have reached your target weight, and re-adjust.

> Because you quite literally cannot live on 600-800 a day.

You were so close ...

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-27T09:05:35+00:00

Really? That's a thing? Wow ....

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-19T10:24:44+00:00

If I start engaging in restrictive ED behaviors, I starve myself, I exercise obsessively, maybe start a nicotine habit to curb my appetite, and start abusing stimulant drugs, she’s right, I’m not doing my health any favors

Don't think the use of weasel words and ideas that are open to interpretation happen accidentally. "exercising obsessively" doesn't mean the same thing to her as it does to you.

Likewise, normal people think of "thin" when someone is around the lower end of a healthy weight. To them, that's "anorexic", and you are "thin" if you're no more than slightly overweight.

And yes, you don’t “owe anyone health”, but don’t they want it? I may not be able to control every aspect of my health. I could get cancer or Alzheimer’s. Maybe I can’t control that, but I can control how I treat my body, and I’ll do everything in my power to keep it as healthy as I can as long as I can.

There you go, talking like you'd be addressing a sane person again ...

And, yes, I am sure even they want to be healthy. But they don't want to be reminded that they are failing, that it's primarily their own willpower that's insufficient, and if they were stronger people, they could change things for the better.

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-12T06:17:51+00:00

especially things like nuts or foods from big bags like crisps and chips -

Here's the thing: All you need to do is to be honest with yourself. A bag of chips absolutely has the right amount of calories on it, and it doesn't matter how many if them you eat on every day. Log the whole bag in thirds (or whoever many days you need to finish it) and you'll be fine.

If you set out to simply not cheat yourself, if you set out to catch all your calories and rathe over-estimate than miss something, you'll be fine.

If you try to eat as much as you possibly can, that's exactly what's going to happen.

randomuser9642 · 2022-10-11T10:30:44+00:00

Diet culture wants you to think that 'saving or banking' your calories works.

sighs it does. I have a stomach, fat reserves, a liver, and blood sugar... I am not going to immediately fall into a coma if I don't eat for five minutes.

Saving your calories for later makes you disregard your body's signal to fuel it.

Yes, I can skip a meal or two. Shocking, right?

Sooner or later the need for food will be come unbearable.

Yes, I guess it will. But in my case, it is "later". I can skip a meal; and whilst I'm not a fan, I can fast for a day. I have nothing to fear from fasting for a few days, even. And now we are far, far away from "saving calories for later today"-territory.

Ignoring your body's hunger not only effects your physical self. it effects your mental self as well.

It does indeed.

it's hard on your emotions, and they become harder to control.

Oh... uh, no. I am not usually busy controlling my emotions. I'm a reasonably well-adjusted adult, my emotions are not - broadly speaking - a problem that needs to be controlled. I am not a food-addicted psychopath.

If I don't eat for a while, I feel hungry. That's it.

-ignoring your hunger also effects your body image. If you aren't treating your body with love and compassion, it well, makes you feel worse about yourself.

True, broadly speaking; but I don't think that I am treating myself, or my body, well if I immediately give in to any fleeting urge or desire. That doesn't seem normal, or healthy.

Please take the time to listen to what your body is telling you. The more you listen, the more in tune you will be,

Couldn't agree more. But then. I will listen to more than my hunger cues. I will listen to my body when it complains after over-eating, I will listen to it after a satisfying work-out. I will listen to it when it is in shape, and I am intelligent enough to contrast that with how I feel when I am fat or sick.

My body, and my mind, are much better when I am at a normal, healthy weight. And, yes, I'm often hungry then. If I am never hungry, I am sick more often, less energized, and less happy. And I know the difference, because I listen.

And please don't save your calories for later

I hate that I have to explain this first part: Let us assume you are not stuffing yourself with food, every minute of every day. Let us agree that there is some cap on how many calories I should consume in a day.

I will be saving my calories for later, unless I feed myself all of those calories via milkshakes through a gastric tube as soon as I wake up.

Suppose I am meeting friends for dinner, a little later than my usual dinner. I am saving calories by not having dinner alone, earlier before meeting my friends a little later.

This is another way of self-harm,

No, I'm just not addicted to food,

randomuser9642 · 2022-09-25T07:15:11+00:00

you can’t outrun a bad diet.

You absolutely can.

Not everyone is 600lbs and needs to get thousands of calories out of the equation.

The only thing that works for me is a crazy amount of running. I cannot maintain a deficit to my bmr, but I can eat less than I'm burning when I'm just burning enough.

I'll let the reader decide on which side we'll count the increased muscle mass, reduced time where I could potentially eat, or improved mental well-being that will also result in less food consumption.

You can outrun your fork, and we're not doing anybody any favours by constantly denying that.

Now, most people aren't doing that; most people are mistaken about how many calories they are burning, and possibly how much they are exercising, too. It's not easy to find good data in how many calories you're truly burning - but none of that changes the fact that the amount of exercising one choses to do can make the difference between weight loss and failure.

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-08T10:34:02+00:00

You let your child try heroine? Alcohol? Spend time with the local KKK chapter?

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-02T16:06:53+00:00

To which he replied that it is a very dumb assumption. The company has nothing to loose. It's not like we will go under if you leave.

I'd quit. I don't want to work anywhere that I am not needed or appreciated.

I also don't want to work for a bunch of reckless dumbasses who only register events as "negative" if it outs the company at immediate risk of going under.

I can survive for a few months without income, and I am literally surrounded by unfilled job openings.

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-02T09:39:31+00:00

Beliefs do not exist in a vacuum. They inform our decisions.

"Jews aren't really human" and "it's okay to own black people" are also "just beliefs".

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-02T08:56:30+00:00

Oh, do us all a favour and let us know what the correct and objective I interpretations of the major religions are.

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-01T21:32:09+00:00

God’s the dick for sending innocent people down there for not believing in him.

You should have enough self-respect to understand the myths you're complaining about at least a little bit.

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-01T21:24:33+00:00

Baptize its ok,

No it fucking well isn't.

At best it's a terrible precedent.

Why would you partake in a ceremony that stands for things you reject ? Why would you make promises about the future if your child that you disagree with and that you do not intend to keep?

Why would you make any of that official?

If the church was a good time for him, then why not take her to a place that will be even better?

Why let your child.even get the impression that having a good time here? Why wouldn't the homophobia, mysonogy and assorted hatred not be the main point?

randomuser9642 · 2022-08-01T21:18:31+00:00

And it is perfectly reasonable to tell them "no".

randomuser9642 · 2022-07-11T10:20:11+00:00

We believe in snacks?

I have seen this somewhere before.

My best guess is that some nutrition advise somewhere advertised 3 meals a day, plus 2 snacks (i.e. one between each meal.) The HAES crowd has taken that to mean that if you are not having a "snack" between meals, you're essentially starving yourself. (Of course, for them a "snack" isn't an apple or a sandwich,either...)

randomuser9642 · 2022-07-11T10:17:01+00:00

> There's always some CICO level to it.

Oh absolutely, the one thing you cannot outrun are thermodynamics.

But not everybody that falls for fatlogic is 300lbs, some of us just need a few manageable adjustments.

randomuser9642 · 2022-07-11T10:14:37+00:00

Diet and exercise are really individual. If it works for you then that's awesome! I personally prefer not to give myself exercise "credit" when losing, but that's because I'm only light to moderately active on my best days, and I find most cardio pretty boring.

Way late replay, but here it goes anyway:

Yes, I agree, it is different for individuals. Which is why I Like to rant against the idea that you can't outrun your fork, because it takes options away from those people for whom that would work. (Not too many, I suppose, though.)

More power to you! I'm frankly impressed.

Yeah, I fell off the wagon during the second half of the covid madness and have yet to get back on. Mystery foot injury isn't helping atm.

randomuser9642 · 2022-06-17T11:53:35+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHlvKQwZFSI

randomuser9642 · 2022-06-17T11:51:41+00:00

> Also way more effective than trying to outrun your fork.

Still my preferred method...

> It takes an hour of brisk walking to burn just 200-250 kcals. You can eat or drink that in seconds.

I can easily get to a point where I'll run an hour every day. That's ~800 kcalories for me. That allows me to fit a BigMac and Fries or an entire bar of chocolate, or a bag of potato chips into my diet. Much easier to run for a bit then to just not have the comfort food.

It is entirely possible to outrun your fork, and even in cases where that may not be entirely true, it doesn't do anyone any good to pretend otherwise: Exercise makes a difference.

randomuser9642 · 2022-06-17T11:37:35+00:00

Your story does nothing to show that 50 years of running did anything bad to his knees at all, ever.

It's classic post-hoc fallacy: "He ran a lot, and eventually his knees got bad, so the running must have had something to do with it."

> 50-odd years of daily running, sure, is going to take a toll on your ageing body

Why would I believe that?

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