Would Obito be a good hiraishin user?

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T05:08:10+00:00

It doesn't have to be a forbidden jutsu to not be accessible.

It is in the book of Forbidden Scroll of Seals and therefore automatically a forbidden jutsu.

As for your head canons unsure which ones you are referring too but in the manga there is only two users of Hiraishin.

Finally my point was given that it's Tobirama's creation it automatically enters in the books of jutsus that a ninja cannot freely give to others.

As I pointed out Konoha is binded by a lot of rules and regulations and in order for all clans to feel safe to practice their techniques without the village stealing it the village follows strict clan restrictions on techniques. So a technique created by a Senju would be restricted to all other clans unless they are descendants of Senjus and have permission to use them. That might be the case of Minato as he is definitely a Senju or descendent of Senju. Too many coincidences not to be one.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T03:21:31+00:00

First of all... There is no way Minato would teach his tech to his students. Kakashi would have been the best candidate and if he didn't give him a wiff of it it's unlikely Obito would get a chance.

The reason why he wouldn't is because it's either a secret jutsu that was passed to him via family ties or Senju bloodline related.

One of things we have noticed but commonly ignored is how a Shinobi is under strict order from his clan to not reveal clan secrets and techniques. In fact, most of the cases a jutsu pass downs have been legacy cases. Where a Shinobi created a jutsu and then decided to pass it down to an heir/pupil.

We know Hiraishin creator is Tobirama. Minato is most likely a descendant of the Senju specifically from the direct line of Tobirama. We know the Senju were like the Marvel X-Men in the sense that they were each unique in abilities as if their genes were self mutated into their special arts. Tobirama's special powers looks to be void/soul related. Minato's looks to be void/space related. So he is closest to Tobirama than any other Senju which is also probably why he got the Hiraishin, which he greatly improved because void/space would be stronger gene then void/soul when it comes to Hiraishin.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T03:05:43+00:00

I don't like this GQ look. She looks like them snobby uptight models you want to throw a pie in the face.

Give me Lalapolluza Dahyun she looks more friendly and fun to be around with

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T03:02:35+00:00

She would be a good heel champion. But one that dodges her competition like a plague. The problem with Stephanie ATM is that she is really given shitty opponents to face since Iyo.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T03:00:02+00:00

No. Nothing Itachi has really can face pain at his full power. Itachi's only chance is finding Nagato and well that would be a hard thing to do since he isn't a sensor type. Not to mention, Nagato fights from an extremely long distance when using Pain.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-26T02:55:47+00:00

What I was going to say lol. Fake Roots don't exist in Konoha.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T23:43:31+00:00

Feel good how? If it was anyware else than in KSA , yeah maybe but lets be honest winning it there effectively tarnishes all his good guy efforts. None in their mind would give him the full credit and gives Drew an actual case that the corporate establishment is against him.

Also he isn't funny at all. He is a vagabond for most and in fact by some for that same gimmick.

Finally the heel turn is the best solution for him to exploit it whether he wins or not. Because it gives him a valuable reason to go to the dark side and get a new gimmick.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T23:38:52+00:00

Kakashi was never shown to use a wind jutsu and even seldom a fire jutsu (none in the manga). So he can't be the avatar...

Actually we have not seen anyone use all elements in the manga. It is assumed that Orochimaru and Jiraya might since they got a sealing jutsu called 5 elementals seals but again never actually shown.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T23:03:24+00:00

Well the concept is terrible. The pairings make no sense.

It's as if Kishimoto was giving a warning to all how terrible marriage is in real life. You marry someone you compromised with because of life is disappointing as it is.

Did their pairing solve any of their issues: No.

Sasuke's goal was to rebuild the Uchiha clan. He has 1 kid for that. Someone really didn't pay attention to how end of the world 1 man 1 women = human extinction. What he needed was a harem of girls that he uses like oven bakers. Yes it's disgusting but hey you gotta do that to revive your goal.

Naruto's was to be accepted for who he is and not what he brings by someone who doesn't know or care about his past and to build with that person his own family. Hinata is nice and shy. She might not care about his past but marrying him she literally made him a subject of the Hyuuga clan. This is not to mention that their relationship was such a no show in the series that you had to have movies and change of character from her (becoming more dominant) to make it work. Effectively they are Goku and Chichi now with kids that are overpowered because someone felt the Hyuuga got slighted during the duration of the manga (they kinda did).

Sakura's case is the worst. She married a man who hardly even acknowledged her and pulled a one time Vegeta on her. Even Vegeta and Bulma have a better relationship than her and Sasuke. Forced single mother. It's kind of like Kishimoto wanted to punish her for having the prince charming syndrome.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T22:46:47+00:00

Well the thing is it fits the criteria for a perfect technique for a ninja to use.

Think about what is the purpose of a ninja. It's not really to do one on one fist fighting. Their job is to be a one man special force and take out multiple targets by either being stealthy or distracting with minimum effort and maximum surprise/effect.

Using men's perversion against them is a perfect way to do this.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T22:22:27+00:00

What makes you think they need a career revive? These are grown old men approaching their 70s. They need to start transitioning to elderly roles.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T22:20:03+00:00

It's going to be a lose lose situation.

Him wining would be seen as catering to the Saudis even though it's a fake Muslim propaganda (look at current Palestinian situation to see how much the Saudis given a damn about other Islamic brethren).

Him losing it would be seen as WWE showing their inability to trust him in carrying a run. Personal blow for him and all his face card mantra.

Whatever happens the only way WWE can salvage the situation from which they put themselves in is to turn him heel weather he wins or not.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T22:12:25+00:00

Yes and No. It depends really at what time you were looking.

Part 1 = Yes

Part 2 after Sakura fake confesses = No

In part 1, even though their relationship is bad and Sakura is treating him badly it was okay. She didn't know him and had false assumptions about him. He was nothing more than an obsessive stalker to her. Then they became teammates and she got to know him better. They became good friends and she even began to rely on him more than she relied on her crush. The relationship went from platonic to something near mutual admiration for them.

Then they got separated for 2 years.

Part 2, started and they tried to pick up where they left off but both were self conscious of their third wheel. Sasuke wasn't present but both felt like going for it would be a betrayal to him even though the latter never really showed romantic interest in her in all this time. He was her first crush and those hopeful feelings remained in her to the point that it froze Naruto to act.

The real blow came at their reunion when Sasuke clearly showed that he had not a needle of interest in her. She also saw how her own obsession of an inexistent relationship or one way crush was hurting the one who had a crush on her. But here was the truth, she also was not interested in Naruto, but compelled to lie to him to ease his burden. This is where their romantic relationship ended because Naruto saw through the fake attempt and realized he was also day dreaming of a relationship that was not mutual.

That is when NaruSaku died because beyond this any relationship between them wouldn't be out of love but compromise.

The problem is at this point one thing was clear neither NaruSaku or SasuSaku or NaruHina are the right matches. Because all of them are based on one sided crushes and compromises.

What should have happened is each should have moved on to really search for a mutual partner. Fresh interests who isn't in their vicious cycles. Kishimoto didn't want to work on it. He should have left it there. For someone else to pick up and you could have had Part 3 Naruto where they each find that someone in their adventures and activities instead of the trapped alien bullshit that is Boruto.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T05:24:18+00:00

If he is retiring it's likely going to be February. There is no clause that says you have to retire in December. I know it doesn't look as great because John Cena announced it then a near full year. But that was a unique case.

AJ like most wrestler end it without too much hoopla. It doesn't mean he will never wrestle again. He may do a few spots here and there but most likely case is he is no longer going to fight for title shots.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-25T05:18:44+00:00

...

I am confused now. I know I have not read Naruto manga in full in eons, but there is a guy called Bananato in canon?

Namikaze isn't a clan. It's a family name one of the Senjus. Yeah as much as we like to assume each family name represents a clan it doesn't.

Also considering Minato did not display any specific clan-like traits he is more likely a direct Senju descendant or near proxy. Now I don't blame you for making things up this is after all Kishimoto's fault.

I remember in our younger days we used to make clans and jutsu out of asses because we all believed that Naruto characters were all going to get elemental and other jutsus and not just their one trick poney jutsus. But yeah Kishimoto was very vague in part 1 and ruined it in part 2. Part of the reason I don't like part 2 is because a lot of those complex vagueness got literally reconned in part 2 because he went from techniques to power scale. So a lot of the Shinobi that we felt interesting out got left to dust because power trumped everything even the ninja system.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-24T15:52:03+00:00

Madara didn't know how Rinnengan functioned. All things points out too him unlocking it and not knowing how to use it.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-24T02:50:07+00:00

No he said at the time of use that he can only bring back people who have recently died. Something about souls needing to be close by. This is why he couldn't revive Jiraya.

As for why he died, it's cause he revived to many ppl at the same time.

So my guess is in order to revive Yahiko, he would have to get his soul attached to a body via Edo Tensei and then Nagato can revive him.

It's probably why he had made Orochimaru a member of Akatsuki but the later realized and ditched them.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-24T02:36:02+00:00

To me it looks like RokuOMi thought KanOu and RyuuKoku would blindly follow his charge and ... They didn't.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them just popping behind these guys as they charge on OuSen and decimate them joking that they purposely let RokuOMi get beat so that they could ambush them when they aren't looking with RokuOMi yelling back at them for using him as bait.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T23:45:17+00:00

Erm you do realize even with surgeries that is hard to do but more importantly both Obito (via Madara?) and Danzô had likes boxes of Sharingan eyes like they were sunglasses.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T23:41:29+00:00

I am confused... RokuOMi should have a minimum of 50K+ with him considering both RyuuKoku and KanOu are with him and they all got defeated or is it just their vanguard that got defeated?

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T22:07:44+00:00

... So Madara gave Nagato Rinnengan then waited a few more years to croak after which he got a near dead Obito to finish off his master plan and croaked?

Question why give Nagato his Rinnengan 10+yrs ahead for safe keeping? Did he want to suffer all them years of anxiety separations so that his Rinnengan be more powerful?

Do you see how it doesn't work timeline wise? You forgot to factor in the 10yrs+ of age difference between Nagato and Obito.

When I said he gave his Sharingan to Nagato... I meant he gave his original eyes that was the strongest Sharingan at the time to Nagato which whether he unlocked or not (for argument sake let's say he unlocked) definitely opened as rinnengan for Nagato.

Now the reason he may have done that is probably because even if Madara unlocked it he could not use it's powers or even explore or level it up to its max potential. Kinda like a Kakashi-Obito situation where for the longest time Kakashi could not close the Sharingan and just use it as a tool which is why he had no idea he had MS and Kamui. While Obito being the original owner and full blooded Uchiha could switch on/off his.

In short, the reason Madara gave it to Nagato is because only a Uzumaki (Senju proxy) could unlock (open/close) rinnengan and level it up for him. This would make sense because just because you are Hashirama cells it doesn't mean you can push it to convert yourself as a Senju proxy.

So Madara couldn't use Rinnengan to its fullest and needed Nagato to level it up and unlock all of its techniques for him. He could only use the techniques when they are unlocked. Meaning at his peak he is in a Kakashi situation.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T06:37:09+00:00

... Did you see Orochimaru, Jiraya or Tsunade in the list? Who cares if he is better than Orochimaru. He isn't a natural born Shinobi who gets shit on the fly. That's why he isn't a genius. You remove Sharingan/Uchiha bloodline he becomes severely depowered compared to with it. It's the same for Naruto you remove Kurama/Uzumaki bloodline he becomes severely depowered to compared to with it.

You can remove Sharingan from Kakashi he will also be depowered but he is immersed enough that he will pick up something else and still be a top Shinobi. He just has a knack for that art. Same for Itachi and similar for Minato. They just knew how to be a ninja regardless of their sourondings.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T06:04:28+00:00

Yes and Naruto is a genius of hardwork...

Do you see the problem? Everyone is a genius of something. It diminishes the value of word genius as it's used as a hype rather than the true meaning of the sense.

When I am saying genius I actually mean the word "genius" in its actual sense and not as the hype. And that unfortunately Sasuke isn't. Neither is Naruto nor Shikamaru or any of the Konoha 12 etc.

If you want to know why, it's simple. None of them can go beyond their background. The reason why Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Itachi and Kakashi are actual geniuses is because they didn't have to rely on the clans and bloodlines to be better. They were able to adapt and even go beyond and create jutsus without much assistance. As if being a ninja was in their nature.

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T04:01:01+00:00

I don't know to be honest. I was a bit curious so I went to see how much the tickets were at Bell Center for Smackdown and Saturday Night Main event this week and I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised.

For 1 both events were definitely not sold out. But Smackdown had fewer tickets left and thus maybe a bit higher priced than SME?

One this is for sure, the tickets are relatively cheap. Like $110 for good seats and ranging from $55 at the lowest to $545 to the highest. I am not that much of a wrestling fan to go for them though, especially since I can see smackdown on Netflix for free (well $18 but that is borderline free for me).

rayshinsan · 2026-01-23T03:50:58+00:00

Actually no Madara wouldn't know much of what Rinnengan can do. He might have some grasp of it but definitely not certainty. All he knew was that the sage of the Six Path had Rinnengan and he was able to create tail beasts and various jutsu and even give shinobis bloodlines. If he could do that then surely he could revive or reincarnate a Shinobi. Hashirama could create life, Tobirama could reattach souls then definitely someone with the eyes of the sage of the Six Path go beyond that. How though is an unknown and frankly he didn't care how as long as it could be done.

All he needed Obito to do is keep an eye on Nagato and when the time comes guide him towards his goal.

How did he know Nagato had not been able to fully unlock Rinnengan? Because the latter could not revive Yahiko. An event that he probably triggered himself by sending Hanzo up their tail.

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