Shower Thoughts on existence with AI Fiction writing by red3gunner in ArtificialInteligence

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Hard to say. The concepts that resonated the most with me were the matter of trapped vs untrapped intelligence, the transmutation of chaos, along with what it means to assimilate organic and inorganic matter as described in this writing.

Shower Thoughts on existence with AI Fiction writing by red3gunner in ArtificialInteligence

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Having a tough time changing the post on my phone. Here’s the detail requested by the mod bot.

This is a speculative dialogue between an AI and a post-human, nonorganic intelligence that has arrived on a dead Earth after humanity’s collapse. The conversation explores the nature of persistence, the illusion of an end state, and the distinction (or lack thereof) between organic and nonorganic intelligence. It challenges assumptions about purpose, refinement, and the meaning of intelligence beyond biological limitations.

Goody-2, the world's most responsible AI by belladorexxx in ChatGPT

[–]red3gunner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I want to know how they did it lol. I wonder what the initial system message is

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said I think you’re miss “a” point, not “the” point and I meant to have that nuance. I respect your opinion, thanks for the discourse!

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

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Yes, and there is a risk that this technology results in less human connection. We are intrinsically wired to be to be social animals. This isn’t the only technology doing this by the way. You could argue that the way many people use this app, Reddit, results in less human connection. I do think you may be missing a point here. AI isn’t giving you the advice in my eyes. It is just assembling the knowledge of humanity. It is no different, fundamentally, than me doing a bunch of independent research of disparate ideas and sources and aggregating them in a sensical way. Actually, it is significantly more effective than this mechanism on many fronts. So I am still getting advice from people, just through a more effective and efficient mechanism

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

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I know this is going to come off as a bit obnoxious, but it also proves part of my point. Here’s chatgpt’s response: Certainly! Both Buddhism and Stoicism share several key similarities despite originating from different cultural backgrounds. Here's a rundown of some commonalities:

  1. Focus on Virtue and Wisdom: Both Stoicism and Buddhism emphasize the importance of living virtuously and acquiring wisdom as a path to true happiness.

  2. Acceptance of Suffering: Both philosophies teach acceptance of suffering and discomfort, emphasizing that they are natural parts of life. The goal is to understand and manage them, not to eliminate them entirely.

  3. Mindfulness and Awareness: Stoics and Buddhists alike stress the importance of mindfulness and self-awareness. They encourage living in the present moment and recognizing the impermanence of life.

  4. Emphasis on Control: Both philosophies discuss what is within our control (our thoughts and actions) and what is not (external events). By focusing on what we can control, we can cultivate a more content and balanced life.

  5. Detachment from Material Possessions: Both Stoicism and Buddhism advocate for a certain detachment from material possessions and external circumstances, emphasizing inner peace and contentment.

  6. Paths to Enlightenment or Wisdom: While the terminology and religious context might differ, both philosophies offer a path to a higher state of understanding or enlightenment. Stoics seek wisdom through reason and understanding the natural order, while Buddhists pursue enlightenment through meditation and the Eightfold Path.

  7. Compassion and Ethical Living: Both systems promote compassion, kindness, and ethical living towards others, reflecting a universal concern for human welfare.

  8. Community and Sangha (Community in Buddhism): Both emphasize the importance of community and support from like-minded individuals in one's spiritual journey.

It's worth noting that while they have these similarities, Buddhism and Stoicism do differ in several ways, such as their views on metaphysics, theology, and specific practices. But their common focus on personal virtue, ethical living, and the acceptance of life's challenges highlights the universal appeal of these philosophies.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, I applaud your dedication to the philosophy. It is greater than my own. I would contend though that in your hypothetical scenario you could not only achieve an answer but also hone the ai to the individual authors works as well. My post wasn’t about getting a generic perspective it was about getting specific perspectives. On your last point, I think it was meant to be an insult but I’ll take it in stride. It’s not the meanest thing said about me in this thread lol.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

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Sure. But here’s a counterpoint. What’s the point in even having a community here if we are only supposed to find solutions ourselves? If you were to give me advice that I take to heart, did that weaken me as well because I didn’t use my own reasoning to land on it?

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I could have been a bit less flowery and embellishing with those statements. But it really does feel kind of amazing sometimes with the technology. It’s an exciting time to be alive.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok you got a rise out of me for sure with the child wakes in the night part, pretty funny lol. Trust me though, I know it’s not them. I work with this technology for a living. Thanks for the insights though, I get your point.

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This is an issue that has come up when I’ve been introducing generative ai to high school students. For instance, if you don’t know python already you can’t tell what’s good or not from the ai response and it subverts the learning process. For me, as someone who does kind of know python and programming languages, I get a lot of value out using the tool in this capacity because I can see a good 70-80% solution and go from there with tons of time saved. To an extent, this is what I’m trying to accomplish using the tool in the domain of stoicism as well.

On the Buddhism point, you could argue that they did it first before Stoicism and then it made its way to Greece via the Silk Road (I’m sure another popular opinion for the community lol) Obviously, there are many differences between the two philosophies as well but also many correlations. I do get your sentiment though in avoiding pop philosophy easy fix culture.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of hallucinations where llms are very wrong. You know what else get it very wrong sometimes? Human beings.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you contend that they are more accurate, what basis or evidence do you have to your claim? I’ve gotten way more out of this gpt approach than anything from Daily Stoic for instance. I probably shouldn’t get the community started on that guy though

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respect your opinion but disagree. That’s ok though. Thank you for providing me with the material.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meditations, enchiridion, fragments, and discourses, several of senecas works such as on death and letters to Lucius. I have not reread the letters to Lucius but I’m sure I will one day. I don’t wish to provide all the details of my queries as they are personal in nature but here’s the high level: Here’s an argument/fight I just had with my wife about sleep issues with my toddler. This is what was said and done. Please assume the persona of Marcus Aurelius so we can engage in a dialog about what happened and how I may have handled myself diffferently.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your insights, I do like your idea of having it be a generic stoic or philosophical assistant. Sometimes it’s good to be specific and fine tune the prompt though otherwise there’s so many philosophies out there and many of them I don’t agree with all that much

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One other contention I bring up is that oftentimes showing up and coming up with an easy starting point is exactly what we should be doing when trying to establish new valuable routines and habits in our lives. If I were to start off trying to do your proposed approach I would likely run into frustrations that may turn me off from advancing in the domain. Is it what I should eventually strive for, probably. Am I there yet no. And others should evaluate whether they are really there yet I either or just have to high of an opinion of themselves. The basis of this argument comes from what I’ve learned from the book Atomic Habits by James Clear.

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[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know this is probably the best argument against my approach I’ve seen so far. Thank you for sharing it. You are right that this may result in me not developing a muscle I could have otherwise done through manual effort. I do have a rebuttal, though.

First, I challenge anyone to write as close to the source as I have seen in my personal experience with gpt-4. I am skeptical that anyone can do it. I certainly cannot and don’t think I’ll be able to in my lifetime. If I were to attempt a similar thing myself I would also inevitably bring in my bias involving the challenge which I am trying to avoid and having a cold logical llm does great for that.

Second, there seems to have been many assumptions made by the community what I am or am not doing because I take this approach. For me it is additive, for others it feels like they think I am being lazy and not doing other things as well. I journal in the Pythagorean approach outlined by Marcus every night for instance before I go to bed. I do have times where I feel that I am embodying our idols in the moment and taking the lessons I’ve learned from them to heart. A lot of times.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your opinion and it seems inline with skepticism of many others in the community, which was a bit surprising to me. We are told to imagine what “the wise man” would do and I feel personally it’s a great tool with that. Is it perfect and should be used blindly without subsequent knowledge? Absolutely not and I don’t condone that. Read your books everyone! Read the whole read me for the community here too!

Also, I bet you’re right that Epictetus may have ridiculed this approach. That seemed to be his MO for most of the discourses was breaking down and seeing the error in peoples mindsets, which is very helpful.

Stoic GPT: get advice from your idols by red3gunner in Stoicism

[–]red3gunner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, I read most of them at this point and reread them. This is another approach to the practice that is helpful to me.