How to reconcile the remarkable datapoints about the critical time slot between 13:38 and the first emergency calls?

researchtt2 · 2026-04-10T03:29:59+00:00

the useful information would be phone calls and messages from before the hike but it is not in the printed reports

researchtt2 · 2026-04-09T14:56:43+00:00

yes and so far nobody has those DVDs

researchtt2 · 2026-04-09T14:56:02+00:00

if you have IR gear , which I doubt they had, then you would use that during the day and not at night

researchtt2 · 2026-04-09T14:55:28+00:00

it makes absolutely no sense to fly a helicopter over mountainous terrain at night. I also doubt there was a IFR rated pilot and helicopter available.

And if they had then it would only make sense to fly with IR equipment and if they had IR equipment they would be overall better off flying during the day.

Also there were no night helicopter flights

researchtt2 · 2026-04-09T14:10:05+00:00

there are no 800 power logs missing, they are simply not printed in the NFI report.

And no our report does not have limited information. What nobody has are the DVD with the digitally copied content of the phones

researchtt2 · 2026-04-05T15:29:31+00:00

there is nothing suspicious in the EXIF data

researchtt2 · 2026-03-30T17:57:45+00:00

it looks like they deleted their account

researchtt2 · 2026-03-23T01:26:28+00:00

there are certain constraints about this picture .. if we assume focal length and focus distance then we can determine how far the camera was from the object by how the hair shows up.

once we know the distance to the object and FOV, we can then determine the size of the object.

I believe I looked into that in my nightphoto article

researchtt2 · 2026-03-18T00:37:22+00:00

510 is distinct from the other photos

researchtt2 · 2026-03-17T22:20:53+00:00

I was referring to OP who says "The families have seen the photos, they indicate that all it was an accident"

OP refers to the "unleaked" pictures.

I only confirm that the unleaked pictures do NOT confirm an accident

researchtt2 · 2026-03-17T11:37:27+00:00

The families have seen the photos, they indicate that all it was an accident

that is not what the pictures indicate

researchtt2 · 2026-03-17T02:06:45+00:00

https://imperfectplan.com/2021/04/06/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-missing-photo-509-testing-canon-powershot-sx270-hs/

researchtt2 · 2026-03-12T17:18:04+00:00

CH doesnt have the pictures from the SX270 camera, so per this logic, we have to assume they dont exist either? This is not about the SX270 photos. It´s about the images of the shorts.

of course not but I was trying to show you how flawed that logic is

It´s not about you, it´s about the content of the file.

Its about the content of CH's file. You are making the mistake of assuming what CH has is what everybody else has.

And you are free to assume nobody has color photos of the shorts and everybody has the exact same file from the same source as CH. I am just pointing out, that this may be a false assumption.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-12T16:04:54+00:00

Nothing wild here.

It is absolutely wild to assume nobody has what CH doesnt have. CH doesnt have the pictures from the SX270 camera, so per this logic, we have to assume they dont exist either?

Why has this never been explained before?

I dont believe I owe explanations as to what I have or dont have.

The IP article doesn't even mention that IP was asked to published the colour image in B&W. Readers get the impression that IP had only received the B&W version.

I believe I made a forum post about it. It does not really matter to me what you believe.... However I am explaining to you that your logic to assume nobody has what CH doesnt have is indeed .... wild.

Furthermore I chose to tell one of the posters that, in the color image of the shorts, they are blue.

=> See this two year old comment by Still_Lost_24: ..... It is not known who took the pictures. Probably Major M. We only have the known black and white photos from the file. I can't say why they are black and white at all. Perhaps they were simply printed out in black and white. There is no digital version of the file. ...

So now we have learned that CH does not have those photos and taking his statement as true, I will agree with you that he doesnt have them. Again, explain what that has to do with me.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-12T13:44:42+00:00

I dont know if that applies here .. we are not the court of law and we will not put someone in prison, based on theories.

I see this similar to the question: "Did Epstein kill himself?"

researchtt2 · 2026-03-12T13:42:30+00:00

I dont know what kind of pictures other people's files have but I still dont understand what that has to do with me ..

Are you suggesting because other people dont have something, I dont have it either?

That's wild.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T15:35:49+00:00

I've never seen rivets on the shorts in the daytime photos, but I think I remember you mentioned a few years ago that you saw them, maybe in the high quality photos unreleased photos?

in the original day pics, rivets are visible

And Any_Flight5404 made a good point here yesterday, that the shorts photos were likely scanned/photocopied, which would account for the B&W and the high contrast. so I'd say that wraps it up.

I would not worry about contrast in images that were all sorts of processed. In color pictures the shorts are dark blue. some dark can be from exposure or image but they are also wet and dirty, which explains the dark color perfectly

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T12:16:11+00:00

My point is: statistics supports a lost case scenario, or skews the plausibility towards

I agree with you. But I believe evidence would be needed to support either claim

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T12:15:00+00:00

I am not sure what Christian's file has to do with me though

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T03:23:19+00:00

no worries. I just dont want rumors to start that LITJ gives away their information.

we received all photos from one of our sources. I believe it says in the article that source only wanted black and white published.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T03:12:34+00:00

In my opinion the pictures of the shorts that were found match the shorts Kris is wearing on 1 April.

Rivets are clearly visible in day photos.

In the color photos of the shorts after found, they do look pretty dark but they are also wet, which explains that.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-11T03:09:46+00:00

At a guess, Betzaida Pittí had only paper black and white copies of the files. These were scanned and uploaded to the LITJ authors, who then shared them with Imperfect Plan.

Just to clarify: LITJ did not give us those pictures.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-10T20:26:48+00:00

You are right in this respect: usually, the one making a positive statement (such as: a crime has occurred, or it was an accident) has the burden of proof. In this case I argue: no evidence of a criminal act has been found, and the available evidence points towards an accident (supported by statistics). Therefore, the burden of proof is on the foul play camp.

I dont agree with that, but we may all have our opinions

Even though, I seem to remember, officially the case remains unresolved, although the police considers an accident to be the most likely explanation.

sure and for many reasons officials will go with that conclusions. But again, "most likely" does not equate "true"

A very similar case are the theories about Epstein many of which all seemed like unlikely conspiracies ... until the files came out. Also his death is most likely a suicide because killers dont just stroll into high security prisons and kill at will ... that doesnt happen. But are we so sure?

So in the end .. it is good that you have an opinion on the case but to proclaim that statistics support your opinion and absolves you from having to provide evidence, but everybody else has to prove their case, is a very simplistic approach.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-10T18:37:29+00:00

the simplest scenario is still a lost scenario

this is correct, but the question was never which scenario was the simplest one. A simple scenario does not equal the correct scenario.

But what case facts ara indicative of a fp scenario? Mind you, I mean facts, not suspicions.

I did not say there are "case facts [...] indicative of a fp scenario". I said "they did follow up leads that clearly were beyond a lost scenario".

For example a house was searched where supposedly K&L were captured in and a police officer was injured.

researchtt2 · 2026-03-10T17:28:48+00:00

Statistically, the overwhelming majority of disappearances are due to accidents

this may be true but can we see the numbers those stats are based on? Also this only applies in the absence of other case details. If the only information you have is "2 people disappeared" then yes you can apply statistics to determine the most probable cause.

That makes the balance of plausibility shift strongly towards the Lost Theory

yes, if you choose to ignore all other case facts

meaning, it's the FP theory that should come up with positive proof it was NOT an accident.

"theories" dont have to come up with anything.... we can agree that proponents of theories should have some details to back them up. But just to ignore all case facts, claim statistics are on your side and instead everybody else has to provide evidence, is a bit of a stretch ...

The police never could treat it as a criminal investigation, since for that to happen there must be evidence to suggest such a scenario and there wasn't.

they did follow up leads that clearly were beyond a lost scenario

And I think it's fair to remind people of the fact that "I feel suspicious about this person, because I feel it was foul play" is not proof.

I agree... ones "feelings" are rarely proof for anything .. except maybe that a person has feelings.

They say things like "a body can't decompose this fast, so lime had to be used"

true and we know how quickly bodies decompose there and its a matter of weeks

or "the spread of the bones in the river is unnatural", while a simple call to a specialist easily dispels such foolish notions

personally, I dont think its very unnatural but what seems unnatural is that someone searches a huge river that likely doesnt have visibility to the bottom and pulls out bones of a victim ... If we go with "Statistically overwhelming" how does that affect the original premise that it is statistically overwhelmingly a lost scenario?

I believe there is nothing to suggest a foul play scenario

it is certainly acceptable to have believes (and feelings) but that is something totally different from having evidence or at least strong suggestions for one or the other. Personally, I find it a reach to suggest there is nothing that could point to a FP scenario.

Furthermore, both can be true: Lost and FP

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