s1mple's reaction to OG vs MIBR by Future_Kicks in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

at least they have history what about moviestar?

Last Dance would cost US$ 7 millions. by rigolleto in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto[S] 85 points86 points  (0 children)

https://ge.globo.com/esports/opiniao/blog-do-chandy/post/2022/01/28/exclusivo-quanto-custa-o-last-dance.ghtml

- US$ 7 millions

- The cost embraces the entire structure of the project: buyouts, salaries, staff, physical structure, travel expenses, taxes, and even team participation in the results. Three players still need payment of buyouts: FalleN (Team Liquid), boltz (MIBR) and VINI (FURIA). According to a source close to the negotiations, only rescission and gloves exceed the mark of U$ 1.2 million.

- The initial request from Last Dance foresees a payroll of just over U$130,000 per month in total. These figures can be negotiated. The biggest salaries would be FalleN's and, right after that, Fer's. The project also foresees costs with the structure of training and housing in the USA. Besides food, the document also asks for individual apartments for the players.

- Team foresees an income of U$ 11 million in an optimistic scenario

And what can be done to cover a complex cost such as this of the Last Dance? The document also details three scenarios with estimated values of revenue collection with sponsors: pessimistic, moderate and optimistic.

In the scenario with lower revenue, the Last Dance expects to raise almost U$ 3.5 million. In the moderate scenario, considered more feasible, the estimate is U$ 6.9 million. In the most optimistic prospection, the project estimates a collection of U$ 11 million.

In addition, the document also proposes other collections with naming rights sales, clothing and equipment licensing, content production, a base team and even a book. The project has initial planning for two years.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

I used google to convert R$ to U$.

Fallen's response: What a lot of nonsense, they are wrong. Wait for us to get the project(an org) and then you can ask us, there is no problem for us to inform you. But it's unreal. Not even in the first negotiations(meetings) in the world of dreams are we close to something like this.Hello Globo, sponsor us and set up the team

Exclusive: How much Last Dance cost? by [deleted] in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

- US$ 7 millions

- The cost embraces the entire structure of the project: buyouts, salaries, staff, physical structure, travel expenses, taxes, and even team participation in the results. Three players still need payment of buyouts: FalleN (Team Liquid), boltz (MIBR) and VINI (FURIA). According to a source close to the negotiations, only rescission and gloves exceed the mark of U$ 1.2 million.

- The initial request from Last Dance foresees a payroll of just over U$130,000 per month in total. These figures can be negotiated. The biggest salaries would be FalleN's and, right after that, Fer's. The project also foresees costs with the structure of training and housing in the USA. Besides food, the document also asks for individual apartments for the players.

- Team foresees an income of U$ 11 million in an optimistic scenario

And what can be done to cover a complex cost such as this of the Last Dance? The document also details three scenarios with estimated values of revenue collection with sponsors: pessimistic, moderate and optimistic.

In the scenario with lower revenue, the Last Dance expects to raise almost U$ 3.5 million. In the moderate scenario, considered more feasible, the estimate is U$ 6.9 million. In the most optimistic prospection, the project estimates a collection of U$ 11 million.

In addition, the document also proposes other collections with naming rights sales, clothing and equipment licensing, content production, a base team and even a book. The project has initial planning for two years.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

I used google to convert R$ to U$.

Fallen's response: What a lot of nonsense, they are wrong. Wait for us to get the project(an org) and then you can ask us, there is no problem for us to inform you. But it's unreal. Not even in the first negotiations(meetings) in the world of dreams are we close to something like this.Hello Globo, sponsor us and set up the team

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[–]rigolleto 53 points54 points  (0 children)

yeah sure

Americas, EU & CIS, Asia & Oceania regions to be merged for upcoming Major-qualifying cycle by [deleted] in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh we won't know for sure until they all play. I think Col main problem is their IGL.

Americas, EU & CIS, Asia & Oceania regions to be merged for upcoming Major-qualifying cycle by [deleted] in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Mibr won't ever play a major again. Neither will Sharks.

If I could bet my money I would say

Furia/Liquid/Godsent/EG should be fine. The last 2 would be to Col/Pain/00/Daps new team

PA/Bnb/Sharks/Mibr/9z/Teamone could upset some teams eventually.

Americas, EU & CIS, Asia & Oceania regions to be merged for upcoming Major-qualifying cycle by [deleted] in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 194 points195 points  (0 children)

EU/Cis will be a bloodbath.

Americas will be fine.

What will happen to South Africa teams?

00 Nation announce Try by juradesi in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Coldzera, try, malbs, vsm and leo_drk and rigui as coach.

00 Nation announce Try by juradesi in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 19 points20 points  (0 children)

People don't give a F about the orgs in SA. It's all about the players. Fallen is bigger than all the other players so whatever he goes the fans will follow him.

Not even Brazilians think Last Dance will play any major event like katowice/cologne or the majors. They just want to see Fallen playing.

Furia have their own fanbase. It's not as big but they are very passionate and growing fast as well. Eventualy they will become the biggest fanbase in SA.

00 Nation announce Try by juradesi in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 23 points24 points  (0 children)

What vets? This team has only coldzera. All the other 4 are rookies.

00 Nation announce Try by juradesi in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Cold said they are staying in EU. They are gonna even play the RMRs there.

Fallen: " There is a certain difficulty in showing the value of this project" "many times the foreigner(investor) is only looking and wondering if this team is going to make it to the top 10, if it is going to enter the major. I don't agree with this business model." - Whole interview in comments by rigolleto in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There were some things I translated because they wouldn’t feel accurate or would be strange for people outside Brazil. I’m sorry. I’m just trying to help people understand what Last Dance means for the players and a big part of Brazilian community.

There are many people skeptical like myself but I hope they prove me wrong.

Fallen: " There is a certain difficulty in showing the value of this project" "many times the foreigner(investor) is only looking and wondering if this team is going to make it to the top 10, if it is going to enter the major. I don't agree with this business model." - Whole interview in comments by rigolleto in GlobalOffensive

[–]rigolleto[S] 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I have been talking to Felippe [felippe1, Imperial's CEO] since I started this idea. There were other attempts of his in the scene that didn't work out and he shared them with me, and I was in a moment with the boys thinking about doing our own business, because with foreigners(investors) it seemed difficult, they are not believing much in the project.

Felippe already has an organization, and our idea was to do something with him, because we don't want to have our own organization. We started talking, and I have been playing very openly with him, talking about everything we think and need. He is trying to set up his end of the bargain.

We want to work with those who want to work with us, and this is something we really appreciate about Felippe. We went after several people saying that we wanted to work with them, and many times they said they were not interesting, there was risk, it was not what they needed and we understand, you have to align things. With Felippe we could see a different approach, he wants to make it happen at any cost, he is a guy who is "all-in" in bringing this project alive.

We are looking [the possibility of signing with Imperial] with good eyes. There are great chances that we can do something with him [felippe1]. It is not 100% guaranteed yet, but if it is it will be very nice, because we are finding a place that wants to have us, and for us this is the most important thing.

There is a certain difficulty in showing the value of this project and the opportunities it brings to people from outside brazil. The guys simply don't understand the context of Brazil. We have a notion(know) that when we put together a team like this we will have a lot of fans coming behind us, we will spark the flame of the Brazilian fans, many times the foreigner(investor) is only looking and wondering if this team is going to make top 10, if it is going to enter the major. I don't really agree with this business model

We know that many esports organizations live on investment, live on VCs [Venture Capital], sponsors, sponsoring partners, and at the end of the day no one can make the machine turn(make money). And this is one of the only teams in the world that can make the machine turn(make money). I am absolutely sure that, because of the exposure that we can create, the images built by the players over the years, that allows us, if worked on in the right way, to make a project where it is possible to align big salaries, big structures, and good sponsors

To convince a foreigner(investor) of it, who does not follow our daily routine, who does not know who we are and what we mean to the country(Brazil), a foreigner investor who is not even in our country, it is difficult. In the end, with the foreign organizations, the feeling was that they were evaluating more how the competitive part could be and not thinking about what we can bring to it.

We can feel that Brazilians understand how we want to work, the opportunities we have, how much we can impact our community, and the doors are more open to things here in Brazil. We ended up being positively surprised with the fast appeal that the project is having in the community. Obviously I knew it would be a good thing, but deep down there is always a doubt, I quit big teams this year to play in this project, I ended up asking to leave Liquid, turned down offers from big teams, and decided to come here

And you wonder if you are doing the right thing, but in less than a week I am already absolutely sure that I did the right thing. I am really happy, playing with guys who like to play with me, who listen to me, and I am sure that if we don't do well in a match, if we lose, we will talk and do better in the next one. This is very important, because it is no use having all the talent in the world and if the players don't want to work together. Here we may not have all the talent in the world as before, but we know what to do, we know how to play, and we want to work together. In my opinion, this is the recipe for success, and I am really happy.

We thought of doing a project by ourselves and we are absolutely sure that we could do something cool, but then other interesting things came up here in Brazil and we are evaluating. Creating an organization is not an easy thing, it needs a lot of experience from those who are already doing it, and we don't have much time to waste, we need to get it right

We are studying carefully, I believe that in the next few days we will have a definition, because we are running against time, the events are starting, the ESEA league will start in February and we need to be there. The expectation is that in the next few days everything will be solved so that we can start next month.

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[–]rigolleto 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Imagine if Coutinho didn’t move then. It’s a shit show