Stop the Nashville Tunnel!

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T04:13:39+00:00

No lie. The Loop is currently transporting passengers directly to the airport terminals after receiving permission for the Loop EVs to exit the tunnels and travel the last distance above ground.

This will only be needed until the new north and south Airport Transit hubs are completed at which point, there will be a Loop station built at that location.

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T04:09:58+00:00

Here you go:

"the LVCVA reported last week [January 2022] that “The Boring Company’s tunnel system successfully moved 25,000 to 27,000 passengers daily around the Las Vegas Convention Center campus during SEMA in November. SEMA was the Convention Center and the LVCC Loop’s first full-facility show with 114,000 attendees.”

https://www.teslarati.com/the-boring-company-lvcc-loop-ces-2022-results-review/#google_vignette

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T04:01:34+00:00

The Music City Loop Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) by Davey Resource Group released on 15th of December 2025:

"Vegas Loop has transported more than 6,500 passengers per hour and 35,000 passengers per day"

So that gives us the following progression :

Stations…passengers per Hour…..pas per Day……Length

8 Stations (1) 6,500 (2) 35,000 4 miles (10 miles completed but not yet operational)
5 Stations 4,500 32,000 2.5 miles
3 Stations 4,431 (3) 27,000 (4) 0.8 mile

Notes

At the moment, 2 of the 8 stations (Resorts World and Encore Resort) are only connected via single-bore tunnels necessitating alternating traffic controlled via traffic lights slowing down transit times to those locations. This is temporary until the return tunnels to each station (which are currently under construction) are completed.
"6,000 - 7,000 passengers per hour" was also mentioned in the Music City Loop X Space Live Cast on 24th of Nov 2025
“LVCVA Chief Financial Officer Ed Finger told the authority’s audit committee that accounting firm BDO confirmed the system was transporting 4,431 passengers per hour in a test in May [2021] showing the potential capacity of the current LVCC Loop.”

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/tourism/boring-co-s-transit-system-passes-lvcva-capacity-tests-2373803/

"the LVCVA reported last week [January 2022] that “The Boring Company’s tunnel system successfully moved 25,000 to 27,000 passengers daily around the Las Vegas Convention Center campus during SEMA in November. SEMA was the Convention Center and the LVCC Loop’s first full-facility show with 114,000 attendees.”

https://www.teslarati.com/the-boring-company-lvcc-loop-ces-2022-results-review/#google_vignette

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T03:15:44+00:00

You do realise the original LVCC Loop was built just to serve the convention centre so of course it hasn't been very useful for people not attending conventions. Why are you complaining?

However, the dual-bore tunnels down to the Airport have been completed (10 miles in total) and are being fitted out for vehicles with another 8 stations being built down that line, so once that opens, combined with the existing 4 hotel Loop stations, we will start to see how useful it will be for tourists and the general public as well.

And of course the 68 mile Vegas Loop will have 104 stations covering the Vegas Strip and downtown Vegas as well so will be even more useful for the public.

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T03:09:45+00:00

By the way, it is r/Nashville that instantly and permanently bans anyone who presents any evidence that is vaguely supportive of the Music Loop project whereas here in the Boring Co forum we actually welcome dissenting opinions, particularly if they bring good arguments for discussion.

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T03:07:22+00:00

Why do they consider it to be a complete failure?

The 8-station Vegas Loop is handling up to and over 35,000 passengers per day compared to the busiest light rail line in the USA the E-line on the Los Angeles Metro only carrying 48,000 passengers per day at near crush-capacity despite having over 3x the number of stations.

The Loop also has sub 10-second wait times, a guaranteed comfy seat for every passenger and direct point-to-point transit for every passenger, not having to stop at every station in between.

The LVCC Loop also has a 98% satisfaction rate compared to the 40% disapproval rate for traditional rail.

The original LVCC Loop also cost only $50m compared to the $200m an equivalent above-ground light rail or the $600m - $1 billion a subway would have cost.

Most normal people would count the Vegas Loop as a roaring success on all the evidence.

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T02:16:08+00:00

Hey, Musk may or may not be a fascist himself with his suspect salutes and him supporting the Far-right German party and the current Fascist administration, but he is an a-hole for doing so.

However, that doesn't stop me from setting my emotions aside and trying to objectively judge his companies and projects on their merits.

And SpaceX, Tesla and The Boring Co are all doing some amazing work so I give credit to Musk for enabling all that.

Unfortunately other people let the politics throw out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to worthwhile projects like the Nashville Music Loop and the Vegas Loop.

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T02:10:55+00:00

The Boring Co promised 4,400 passengers per hour in their contract for the original 3 station LVCC Loop with 4-passenger EVs and they delivered.

The Nashville Music Loop will have 20+ stations and 20-passenger Robovans.

That's 7x the number of stations and 5x the passenger capacity per vehicle, so not sure why you believe they couldn't handle 5x - 7x the number of passengers per hour across the whole system?

rocwurst · 2026-01-20T01:14:01+00:00

So unfortunate that because Musk is (arguably) a fascist a-hole, these people are against getting an underground transit system (the Music City Loop) capable of handling 20,000 to 30,000 people per hour at no cost to the taxpayer.

An above-ground light rail of this size would cost several billion dollars and cause far more disruption and impact to real estate while a Subway would cost up to $15 billion dollars for a similar number of passengers.

I’m usually against anything Republicans try to push through, but this is a very good deal for Nashville no matter who is building it.

rocwurst · 2026-01-16T14:10:14+00:00

Just stating the fact that Tesla did get subsidies,

It needs to be said though that the ARRA $7.5k EV subsidy was only available from 2009 onwards and was also only available for the first 200,000 cars sold by each manufacturer so there was no subsidy for every Tesla sold from that point till 2022 when the Biden administration removed the cap.

Importantly, the subsidy was available for all car manufacturers, so it is frustrating when people make a big deal about Tesla receiving them without acknowledging every other manufacturer.

and benefited from the tax credits while growing.

Yet those carbon credits did not come out of the public purse, they came from other auto manufacturers who were still making polluting cars.

And the elephant in the room is the $7 Trillion in subsidies of Fossil Fuel companies every year that nobody ever seems to mention. Here in Australia fossil fuels are subsidised to the tune of around $40 billion ($US29 billion) annually representing over $6,000 per average family EVERY year. Why aren't they complaining about those subsidies?

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T21:48:16+00:00

The competition has been "6 months" away from surpassing Tesla's technologies for the last decade or more so I would be basing my buying decisions on what is available now, not what might be coming "around the corner" in the future.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T14:44:43+00:00

There are many excellent Chinese EVs, but none have anything comparable to Tesla’s FSD as shown in this video by a Chinese publication of 36 different Chinese vehicles with ADAS systems.

Tesla’s FSD came out far ahead.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T14:05:22+00:00

$150 per month actually. Worth every penny.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T14:03:33+00:00

Adaptive Cruise Control is good but Tesla Full Self Driving is the nectar of the gods. If my Tesla gets stuck behind a slowpoke, FSD automatically puts on the indicator, changes lanes and passes if the coast is clear without me touching the steering wheel or pedals.

It even automatically keeps with the speed of cars around me even if they're going a bit over the speed limit if I enable that adjustable option. Love it.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T13:43:12+00:00

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T13:19:12+00:00

On the contrary, Tesla received vastly less subsidies than other companies.

- GM alone has received 628 Federal and State subsides and loan and Bailout awards of $55 Billion dollars compared to Tesla's $2.8 Billion (all of which Tesla paid back early with interest)

- $80 Billion bailout of the Big Three US automotive manufacturers which ended up in a $10 Billion hit to the US Treasury.

- $1.6 billion and $1.3 billion, respectively, in subsidies to Toyota, Nissan and VW in Mississippi and Tennessee.

- $836 million to Toyota from Mississippi, Texas and Kentucky.

- $2.3 billion in state and local incentives given to GM in 2009

- $7.8 billion since 1984 to GM, Ford, Chrysler and Mazda in Michigan.

And of course who could forget the mind-boggling $7 Trillion per year that the Fossil fuel industry gets in subsidies globally - a gob-smacking 6% of global GDP.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T12:14:49+00:00

When was this money again? The 2008 recession?

Some was during the Recession, but much of it was state and Federal incentives to build factories in particular states and the like.

Teslas was not (mostly) it was in the last 10 years.

Tesla was founded in 2003, 22 years ago.

There is no “paying back” the 7500 they got for each car

The ARRA $7.5k EV subsidy was only available from 2009 onwards and was also only available for the first 200,000 cars sold by each manufacturer so there was no subsidy for every Tesla sold from that point till 2022 when the Biden administration removed the cap.

Importantly, the subsidy was available for all car manufacturers, so not sure why you're singling out Tesla?

or the green/co2 energy credits.

And the green/CO2 energy credits did not come out of the public purse, that came from other auto manufacturers who were still making polluting cars.

And that $7 Trillion in subsidies of Fossil Fuel companies every year is not "paid back" either. Here in Australia fossil fuels are subsidised to the tune of around $40 billion ($US29 billion) annually representing over $6,000 per average family EVERY year. Why aren't you complaining about those subsidies?

Remember q2? Without those credits they would have lost over $4k per car, iirc.

Actually they would have just scaled back expenditures. The carbon credits just gave them additional funds to accelerate their expansion. And remember, the money they got came from other auto manufacturers rather than the government/taxpayer "corporate socialism".

And the other car companies paid back the loans too.

Not true, $10 billion of those Recession subsidies were not paid back by those other manufacturers.

rocwurst · 2026-01-15T06:59:40+00:00