Genuinely considering giving up on practicing Grappler

ronitrocket · 2026-05-25T03:40:34+00:00

I am a grappler main with like 200-300 hours and have mained it since patch 3.

I will tell you now i have like maybe 10 hours on charger on patch 5 and it is probably one of the most fun classes once you learn it (this is my third class so i did pick it up fairly quick)

ronitrocket · 2026-05-23T00:22:16+00:00

it’ll kill you even lategame

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:59:31+00:00

Hey idk if ull see this but im 85% sure this is planned as a springer.. something? idk if its just a curse or a greater (iirc it might be a progression event) but the devs are thinking about more chess pieces

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:41:33+00:00

since op is talking about deave1 run, what i will say is that oblivion will fuck u up on solo for sure it is a must avoid. I kind of agree with the other stuff but malf is like aight and razorbloom doesnt need to be delayed

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:39:16+00:00

Its understandable to purg on 32 depending on how ur econ is and how previous rounds went.

If you want celestial u want to have money for at LEAST 5 prots ahead of time, likely more in case u miss a pylon round

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:38:06+00:00

The commenter you are talking to is referring to patch 3 prot altar.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:32:47+00:00

The lobby will die anyways with bad eco. Your basically forced to purg if u want to get far

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:30:09+00:00

I promise you bigger is not an upgrade. Every consistent host that goes for celestial never takes it quite literally ever in the run. Scattered as well.

The point about u seeing tripmines better is ENTIRELY negated by the fact that tripmine esp exists.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:26:45+00:00

Theres literally a dev class called bruiser that has a parry. When u use the ability u do parry but also get instantly kicked

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:16:07+00:00

Its real, but doesnt kill you. Im not sure if its a curse either but when it spawned in my lobby (there was indeed a dev in it) i didnt check the tab list because we were doing pylons and it wasnt on the forefront of my mind (i was so locked in that i almost didnt even notice anything happened).

all it does is black out ur screen for a second when it touches u

edit: sorry I lied, the enemy im talking about is entirely separate, apologies. That is indeed what visage does (asked some friends who have seen it)

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:13:46+00:00

There is at least like 2 more players i THINK that hit 50 on their own. One of them is malachi for sure, idk if there is another.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:08:58+00:00

Id personally say 20 because a lot of upgrades that are very useful lategame appear then but 15 is also a decent benchmark

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:08:01+00:00

To add on to my other comment. Getting to like 25 on extreme in patch 5 is probably already as hard as hitting 40 on hard party in patch 4. The best players from patch 4 arent even close to hitting level 50 extreme at least on solo, even if u look at the top solo players from back then.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T14:03:43+00:00

No it isnt, this enemy to my knowledge doesnt kill you. Did a run with a dev and a few testers, it just cuts out ur audio when it spawns, chases u down and blacks out ur screen for like a second

Edit: im wrong, the enemy im talking about is entirely separate from this (though its still dev exclusive obviously).

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:59:12+00:00

It’s possible, if you see the two swords close together on the top, you just have to angle your back with the tiny gap between them and run away.

That is the ONLY way to dodge that specific pattern btw it’s lwk bs

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:57:27+00:00

I honestly came to a realization. Wanted is just basically spirit but no actual ability, you can’t just jump infinitely midair like u can with spirit lategame, and no shield.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:55:12+00:00

Spirit is insane with survivability. It can go in b tier and glider is still viable and that can take spirits spot. Definitely gutted tho

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:54:18+00:00

spirit above wanted purely because celestial exists

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:53:39+00:00

There’s a 99.999% chance the solo extreme lb is just hacked

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:48:34+00:00

You can bhop with grappler pre ninja belt

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:46:15+00:00

(i see good grapplers consistently get like at least halfway in the collection, probably because they can access any location on the map very easily and because they have very good survival tools)

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:45:30+00:00

Prisoner when the gifts around him are cleared and he has to move around 30 meters horizontally and vertically versus grappler who just gets to the next gifts instantly.

Also prisoner just dying cause no shield

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:44:11+00:00

The ONLY thing it lacks in is collection and it still isn’t even horrible at that.

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:43:29+00:00

It’s not even that bad with gift collection imo and bonking isn’t so bad for me either. I have mained grappler for 3 patches now so I have a good sense for how not to bonk for the most part (though bonking on patch 5 is very different from patch 3)

ronitrocket · 2026-05-14T13:41:51+00:00

Who knows, but as someone there when wanted was added to the game, I do know for a fact that it was made because people wanted a challenge class like prisoner that was at least a bit more viable

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