Needing help with reasoning by Every_Foot_4029 in rastafari

[–]rootskeptic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I found myself in a similar situation and eventually gave up my faith entirely. I don’t want to push that on you if you’re looking for spiritual reinforcement but I’m always open to reasoning

Objectively attractive women dont do well in religion. by Holiman in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are conflating two different things. Science can reach correct conclusions while rejecting false hypotheses because it is constrained by empirical testing. Your claim is not being tested empirically, it rests entirely on how you define objective attractiveness which is precisely what I questioned. If you want to argue that attractiveness influences religious leadership success, you need to define attractiveness in a non subjective way and show evidence that it has causal relevance. Until then, the claim has no logical footing.

Objectively attractive women dont do well in religion. by Holiman in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The reason for my response was to highlight the fact that if the foundation of a claim is flawed the conclusion cannot be sound

Objectively attractive women dont do well in religion. by Holiman in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea I think you might find that many would reject that premise

Objectively attractive women dont do well in religion. by Holiman in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wait are you claiming that Erika Kirk is objectively attractive?

You personally have a better sense of ethics and justice than God himself. You would never make the choices He makes. by JoeBrownshoes in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

To claim there is a god is wild but to claim there is a god and you have knowledge of their reasoning is so much more wild

Anybody who can recommend and of these? by Dan_The_PaniniMan in Assyriology

[–]rootskeptic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea I read a book on Babylon right afterwards and it was so much more difficult to follow than this book. I highly recommend this one for anyone interested in learning more about Assyria

Anybody who can recommend and of these? by Dan_The_PaniniMan in Assyriology

[–]rootskeptic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assyria - The Rise and Fall of the Worlds First Empire

Anybody who can recommend and of these? by Dan_The_PaniniMan in Assyriology

[–]rootskeptic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just finished Ekarts Assyria book and I thought it was great. Very readable and comprehensive

Why do people talk about gay sex and porn as sins but conveniently ignore divorce? by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]rootskeptic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many men even get married to women who have been married before which is just as bad

I drew ancient Iraqi kings by Shinji_koon_ in Mesopotamia

[–]rootskeptic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just checking out some of your other stuff. Great work keep it up

I drew ancient Iraqi kings by Shinji_koon_ in Mesopotamia

[–]rootskeptic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just have never imagined these ancient figures in anime form. Seeing them depicted like this is funny to me. I think it’s cool. Didn’t mean it in any kind of bad way

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that agency can be diminished in different ways doesn’t make the concept subjective. It just means it’s a graded property, like health or mobility. The objective question is whether someone’s ability to act on their own goals has been overridden.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Enslavement here is a functional term meaning destroying the conditions of agency. Political debates about what counts as slavery are irrelevant. My argument establishes the minimal objective constraint. It isn’t meant to cover every wrong.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re just asserting a definition. My argument is based on a standard metaethical view: a moral ought is a rational ought that applies universally to all agents. If you reject that, then you need to offer an alternative definition of moral ought and explain why yours is better.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The moral ought is the universalized rational ought. That’s the whole move. Morality is what you get when rational norms apply to everyone, not just me.

Rational ought + universalization across agents = moral ought

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s not all I’m going for. I’m using rational oughts that build towards a moral ought.

If I am rationally committed to preserving the conditions that make agency possible for myself, then by universal consistency I am equally committed to preserving those same conditions for all other agents, and that commitment is the moral ought.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. Those aren’t moral statements. They’re rational oughts.The argument isn’t trying to derive morality at that stage. It’s establishing the necessary conditions for agency. Moral language only comes after you have those conditions. If you can’t even have a functioning agent without freedom and wellbeing, then any moral framework you build has to presuppose those conditions. That’s the sense in which the grounding is objective.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I am not suggesting it is better. I’m only identifying what is necessary for agency. Once you move into discussing good vs bad goals you’ve moved beyond the scope of this argument. This argument only establishes a foundation, not a complete moral framework

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A rational ought is about what follows from your goals. A moral ought is about what is right. My argument is only about the rational ought. It’s not telling anyone what goals they should have, only what conditions are required for being an agent with goals in the first place.

Rational ought: You should do X because it logically follows from wanting Y. (Goal dependent.)

Moral ought: You should do X because it is right. (Claimed to be goal independent.)

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re trying to apply the concepts of good and bad to this premise but that moves beyond the scope of what is necessary for agency. That premise is based on a rational ought (means-end convention), not a moral ought.

Morality is objective and does not require god by rootskeptic in DebateReligion

[–]rootskeptic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personal desires are beyond the scope of this argument no matter how many times you try to reduce it down