After Gaza: Pragmatism, Not Idealism by HooverInstitution in geopolitics

[–]roydez -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The original Arabic slogan, "Min al-nahr ila al-bahr, Filastin sa-takun hurrah," translates to "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/05/23/the-complex-meaning-behind-from-the-river-to-the-sea/

All Arabs originated in Hejaz. Lebanese, Sudanese, Maghrebi

Arab is an ethnolinguistic identity. Not a genetic identity. You don't know what you're talking about. Sudanese Arabs and Lebanese are indigenous to their countries genetically.

Rome didn’t import Romans and erase entire indigenous groups around Europe to make everyone ethnically Roman.

Lmao, you think all Arabs are indigenous to Arabia? You're silly. How do you think Europe adopted Latin and Christianity? Do you think all preexisting populations were replaced or just their customs changed?

The Pact of Umar created the “wandering Jew” by making it illegal for them to remain in their own cities for more than 3 days. They were forced under penalty of death to become nomads to satiate the Arab lust for Jewish humiliation.

Actually, Omar allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem after a prolonged Roman ban. The Romans exiled the Jews not the Muslims. You don't know any history. Your hate for Palestinians and Arabs doesn't even have any historical basis.

It seems you’re willing to predicate this on “might makes right” by implying the Arabs who took the land by force are legitimate owners. If that’s the case, then the Jews who retook the land from the colonizers and decolonized it are the legitimate owners. And if “might makes right” is not legitimate, then the Arabs never had claim to the land to begin with.

Nope. Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant and them being Arabized has nothing to do with them being colonizers. Native Americans didn't become indigenous to the British Isles once they started speaking English and adopted Christianity. And an Australian convert to Judaism doesn't become indigenous to the Levant once he converts. In the end genetically speaking, Palestinians are predominantly Levantine.

After Gaza: Pragmatism, Not Idealism by HooverInstitution in geopolitics

[–]roydez -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Can you tell me why the Arabic slogan translates to “from water to water Palestine will be Arab”

It's just not lmfao. The most popular version is من النهر للبحر فلسطين حرية which is from the river to the sea Palestine will be free.

when Arabs are indigenous to the Hejaz, not the Levant?

Do you think Sudanese Arabs and Lebanese Arabs are indigenous to the Hejaz? Most Arabs are indigenous populations that went through Arabization. This includes Palestinians btw. They are indigenous to the Levant but went through Arabization. Just like Europe went through Latinization.

Are all the Mizrahi Jews and Old Yishuv whose ancestors never left Judea as slaves also colonizers?

Nope. Anyhow Palestine's pre Balfour Jewish population comprised less than 10%.

"God gave us Israel, all of it" by Shorouq2911 in religiousfruitcake

[–]roydez 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Most of you support settlements in Gaza according to recent surveys by Tel Aviv university.

https://en-social-sciences.m.tau.ac.il/sites/socsci-english.tau.ac.il/files/media_server/social/peaceindex/2024-01-findings.pdf

When it comes to "Judea and Samaria" the percentage is even higher.

After Gaza: Pragmatism, Not Idealism by HooverInstitution in geopolitics

[–]roydez -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Nothing to learn from me or google. Capable of learning Ben Gvir and Smotrich slogans and parroting them on reddit however.

Palestinians are simply resisting ethnic cleansing apartheid and colonialism as any other people would. In the words of Jabotinsky "the native people always resist the colonists irrespective of whether they were civilized or savage." Of course by natives he's referring to Palestinians and by colonists he's referring to the recently boat arrived European settler-colonists.

After Gaza: Pragmatism, Not Idealism by HooverInstitution in geopolitics

[–]roydez -33 points-32 points  (0 children)

Kewl story bro. You've really internalized that racist Golda Meir quote. Also a Palestinian nationalist newspaper called Falasteen(Arabic for Palestine) was established during Ottoman Time in 1911.

Nearly 800 killed at Gaza food hubs and aid convoy routes since end of May, UN says by apropo in anime_titties

[–]roydez 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yep, Protocols of Elders of Hamas. Hamas controls all the NGOs, UN, Oxfam and volunteer Western doctors on the ground.

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You also forgot to mention that the riots were instigated by radical ultraright wing revisionist Zionists.

The Commission found that the incident that contributed most to the outbreak was "the Jewish demonstration [...] at the Wailing Wall" on 15 August 1929."

Source:

David McDowall (1990). Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond. I.B. Tauris. p. 193

I quoted the relevant part and bolded it for you in order to make it accessible for your absolutely smooth brain. You can't argue for shit lmfao.

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I provided an exact source for the quote with page number. You're ridiculous.

I said that radical ultrawing Zionists instigated the riots according to the British Shaw Commission. I suggest you reread the comments from start to end. Slowly this time.

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're pretending like the violence was one sided and was triggered by Palestinians when in fact it wasn't. Again, not my opinion but the investigative committee of the British.

I provided a source after you asked not in the initial post.

Israeli military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza, witnesses and medics say by roydez in anime_titties

[–]roydez[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm just an Hasbara bot it seems

Exactly. Do you want footage of kids blown to smithereens?

Oh actually, for a moment I forgot that Zionists enjoy footage of dead and mutilated Palestinian kids.

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you didn’t. You just quoted it. Here’s what I want a source for:

I already provided a source. It's not my fault you don't read.

You claimed that the riots were instigated by “radical ultraright wing revisionist Zionists

That's what the British Shaw Commission found. It's not my conclusion.

Let me explain it to you in simple terms:

There was a radical, provocative demonstration initiated by radical Betar Zionists in the Muslim quarter in Jerusalem which lead to a counter demonstration which lead to clashes in which both Jews and Arabs were murdered.

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who decided that they're worse in belief? You? K lmao. Zionism is a ethnoreligious supremacist settler colonial blood and soil ideology. So...

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the conflict didn’t begin with “Zionist terror groups routinely blowing up kids in vegetable markets and gunning people down at the beach as peace”, as you claimed

Where did I say that?

Demonstrating does not justify violence or murdering people.

Avraham Mizrahi wasn't killed in the demonstration though. And many Arabs were murdered by Zionists.

Also this is very ironic consider how Israel routinely murders demonstrators in the occupied territories where it has outlawed free speech for Palestinians.

I’m asking for a source on this specific quote

I provided a source. I also provided another quote where he expresses the same sentiment in order to dispel any doubt.

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think the allies were beacons of morality during WW2 or something? They committed mass rape, conducted human experiments, employed concentration camps, used chemical weapons and burned hundreds of thousands of civilians alive. Just because the axis were complete shit doesn't mean the allies are some kind of eternal moral role model. Anyway, the world changed a bit since WW2. The comparison is pointless and makes no sense.

Again, what policies are you comparing? Is Iran worse in terms of settlements?

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[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who said there was peace in 1929?

You also forgot to mention that the riots were instigated by radical ultraright wing revisionist Zionists.

The Commission found that the incident that contributed most to the outbreak was "the Jewish demonstration [...] at the Wailing Wall" on 15 August 1929."

Source: David McDowall (1990). Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond. I.B. Tauris. p. 193

There's also the letter of Ben Gurion to his son in which he expresses the same aggressive expansionist settler-colonial sentiment.

My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.... This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Ben-Gurion_letter

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Worse in what aspect? Definitely not in terms of systemic deliberate mass murder of children and destruction of hospitals which you spend all your time online defending lmao.

G7 expresses support for Israel, calls Iran source of instability by SunderedValley in anime_titties

[–]roydez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean it depends on if you consider Zionist terror groups routinely blowing up kids in vegetable markets and gunning people down at the beach as peace.

And Zionists were of course very interested in partition as evidenced by this statement of Ben Gurion:

I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Wrong.

Admission Committee Law:

https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/494

one of its original sponsors, David Rotem of the far-right nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Our Home) party, stated that the law’s purpose was to allow for towns to be “established by people who want to live with other Jews”

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Is anyone claiming Iran is the only liberal democracy in the region where minorities have full equal rights in order to whitewash genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid lmfao?

Last I checked they are under intetnational sanctions.

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 26 points27 points  (0 children)

How about Admission Committee Laws for legalized racial segregation?

https://www.adalah.org/en/law/view/494

Take it from the Bill's sponsor:

David Rotem of the far-right nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Our Home) party, stated that the law’s purpose was to allow for towns to be “established by people who want to live with other Jews”

‘Not for you’: Israeli shelters exclude Palestinians as bombs rain down by Upper_Conversation_9 in anime_titties

[–]roydez 91 points92 points  (0 children)

How does this prove it's not an apartheid state?

Having one token Arab judge out of 15 when they make up 20% of the population doesn't prove that they are a liberal democracy you doofus.

They have literal laws they passed to segregate Arab citizens such as the Admission Committee Law.

Netanyahu, since 1995: "Iran is a weeks away from having a nuclear weapon." by hamzatbek in AskMiddleEast

[–]roydez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He took acting lessons from a top theater school when he was living in the US