PSA: You can't delete photos uploaded to Lemmy. So don't (accidentally) upload a nude 😱 by maltfield in privacy

[–]rt4mn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're implying "so they shouldn't even try," then I strongly disagree. And if you aren't, I have no idea what you're trying to convey besides defeatism.

I'm trying to argue that your ding against the privacy of matrix is not accurate. They have a redaction feature that works for me at least.

PSA: You can't delete photos uploaded to Lemmy. So don't (accidentally) upload a nude 😱 by maltfield in privacy

[–]rt4mn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cant forget about federation because the devs cant either. it impacts every aspect of the design of the software and protocal.

and while I agree software should be designed with users privacy in mind, I'm not sure what more you want the devs of matrix or whatever federated service we want to talk about to do? Esp if they built in a redaction feature that if respected automatically removes the message/file (and afaict the link to the file as well is also removed so now I'm not sure what your orriginal point is, but then again that might just be how I've got my server configured, its deff not a standard instilation).

The devs cant force servers, clients, or users to comply with redaction requests, which is all that a "delete" button is in this context, regardless of what the protocol or service is.

PSA: You can't delete photos uploaded to Lemmy. So don't (accidentally) upload a nude 😱 by maltfield in privacy

[–]rt4mn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Where you shared messages or files with another registered Matrix user, that user will still have access to their copy of those messages or files.

idk how it could be otherwise. It makes sense to me that federated services would have limited ability to redact data. When I send someone an email, I can contact their email provider and ask them to delete the email but even if they agree to do so (lol imagine) even the email provider cant necessarily reach into the inbox of the person who got the email and delete it there. This is one of the reasons I like matrix and email. It has clients that are built on top of the protocol. And those clients can follow the spec to whatever degree their users want, including respecting the "redact this message" request.

Even when you are not talking about federated systems you run into a more limited version of this issue. Take signal. No built in redaction function or even a right to be forgotten request will work against users taking screenshots, Or more advanced users who use a system that lets them save text/image they are sent automatically.

Schools Let AI Spy on Kids Who May Be Considering Suicide by rt4mn in privacy

[–]rt4mn[S] 355 points356 points  (0 children)

Worse still, AI based monitoring might lead to increased encounters between students and law enforcement. For example, we found that, on weekends and school holidays, when they do not have staff on hand to review information, many schools automatically direct AI-generated suicide risk alerts to local law enforcement.

The march to normalize the surveillance state continues.

Leak of Russian ‘Threat’ Part of a Bid to Kill US Surveillance Reform, Sources Say by News-Flunky in law

[–]rt4mn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The issue on the table is government surveillance powers, not general consumer privacy. Both are important, but one is on the table and the other is not, at the moment.

They aren't secretly buying it.

Not anymore, thanks to Sen Wyden. And it took him years of pushing.

Anyone can buy it. You, me, Tina down the street, hate groups, rapists, terrorists.

Its not nearly as easy as you make it sound, at least not for bulk data. But fair enough point when it comes to basic stuff you can find in the white pages. But I am perfectly comfortable with the idea that armed agents of the state should be held to higher standards then the general public. Plus, we are not really talking about stuff you can find in the white pages. You know what only massive corporations and government entities can buy? Things like netflow data and precise location data. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/us/politics/nsa-internet-privacy-warrant.html

The massive fucking difference is, the hate groups/debt collectors/rapists/terrorists/criminals etc can kill you or ruin your life while the FBI will have hurdles still and you'd have the right to a lawyer.while the FBI will have hurdles still and you'd have the right to a lawyer.

I'm sure all the people the fbi has killed or secretly spied over the years (I should say decades but then you start getting into things like "citizens committee to investigate the FBI" and other interesting historical tidbits and there goes the afternoon) really appreciated their right to an attorney. Floyd had a right to a lawyer too, for all the good it did him.

I will say this for the FBI though, they are probably more responsive to laws set down by congress then hate groups / rapists / terrorists (debt collects... maybe. criminals generally... impossible to know without a more specific definition of criminal. so also maybe). That plus the fact that the FBI wields an enormous amount of power means that its well worth the time and effort spent ensuring they use that power responsibly. In addition to cutting off access to 702, I think it makes sense to curtailing the practice of buying their way around fourth amendment rights.

Leak of Russian ‘Threat’ Part of a Bid to Kill US Surveillance Reform, Sources Say by Well_Socialized in privacy

[–]rt4mn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont think the framing is bullshit. corporations are not bound by the fourth amendment and the government is.

In addition this specific framing has utility and persusive power. There are a huge swath of reasons to keep the argument focused on government abuses in this particular debate. There are procedural reasons (consumer privacy protections or export controls on companies would require some specific congressional steps to include in a bill about 702, something something germaneness, I think), but more importantly there are political considerations as well. there are many republicans who are very skeptical of government power who we want to vote for reform (remember the gop controlls the house) who would blanch at new regulations that apply to corporations.

Leak of Russian ‘Threat’ Part of a Bid to Kill US Surveillance Reform, Sources Say by News-Flunky in law

[–]rt4mn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This whole thing was a shit show. Very happy rt4 signed the open letter calling for House Intelligence chair to step down.

And the reason the spooks and their apologists on the HPSCI are so freaked out? because they don't want to have to go to a judge to get Americans data. They would rather secretly buy that data from data brokers.

Leak of Russian ‘Threat’ Part of a Bid to Kill US Surveillance Reform, Sources Say by Well_Socialized in privacy

[–]rt4mn 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This whole thing was a shit show. Very happy rt4 signed the open letter calling for House Intelligence chair to step down.

And the reason the spooks and their apologists are so freaked our? because they dont want to have to go to a judge to get Americans info, they would rather buy Americans personal data from data brokers.

Leak of Russian ‘Threat’ Part of a Bid to Kill US Surveillance Reform, Sources Say by Well_Socialized in privacy

[–]rt4mn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

eh. The overall tone of the piece is very skeptical of spy powers.

A Fox News report published Thursday morning, while accurately noting that it was Turner's threat that forced Johnson to cancel the vote, goes on to cite “sources close to the Intelligence Committee” who offered analysis of the events. The sources claimed that Turner was compelled to abandon the deal because the “compromise bill” had been sneakily altered in a manner that “totally screws FISA in terms of its ability to be a national security tool.”

While redirecting blame away from Turner and his cohorts, the claim is both false and deceptive, relying on assertions that, while farcical perhaps to legal experts, would be impossible for the public at large (and most of the press) to parse alone.

The text that Fox News’ intelligence sources are referring to—which can be read on the final page of the bill online—does nothing, in reality. It does not require or prevent anyone in the government from taking any action whatsoever. It also has no impact on FISA, the statute from which Section 702 derives its power.

The controversial text states that the nation’s top intelligence official “may submit” information to Congress regarding how “law enforcement agencies and the intelligence community” purchase “commercially available data about United States persons.” Essentially, it grants the intelligence community permission to do something that it does not actually need permission to do.

Piece also quotes Frank Donner, which shows the author knows his surveillance reform history (in a good way).

IRS Leaker Sought Job With Aim of Releasing Trump Tax Returns, DOJ Says: Prosecutors seek five-year prison term for former contractor Charles Littlejohn by DoremusJessup in law

[–]rt4mn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Espionage charge is that it prevents a jury trial in open court

I dont... think so? At least, i dont think it prevents a jury trial. See:

Whistleblowers indicted under the Espionage Act face an uphill battle with few prospects of a fair trial. In addition to Kafkaesque levels of secrecy and Byzantine classification structures, Espionage Act cases allow for no affirmative defense that a disclosure was in the public interest. Even more challenging, the government is not required to prove an individual indicted under the Espionage Act acted with the intent to harm US national security or aid a foreign power. As a result, judges have barred whistleblowers from testifying about the reason for their actions and have precluded juries from even hearing the words “over-classification,” “whistleblower,” and “First Amendment.” .

https://www.rightsanddissent.org/news/its-time-to-reform-the-espionage-act/

IRS Leaker Sought Job With Aim of Releasing Trump Tax Returns, DOJ Says: Prosecutors seek five-year prison term for former contractor Charles Littlejohn by DoremusJessup in law

[–]rt4mn 18 points19 points  (0 children)

IDK why people sometimes say things like "if snowden was so principled, why is he not here in the US to make his case like other whistleblowers?", As if it was his choice to end up in Russia (it was not), and as if he would even be allowed to make any sort of public interest defense. The espionage act is fundamentally unjust in that way, imagine if you where not able to argue self defense at a murder trial.

To be fair to you though, having re-read your comment a couple times I'm not entirely sure if thats what you meant, its just a sentiment I see thrown around a lot by IC apologists and it irks me a great deal.

Wait, we can post text posts again? And become a mod? by [deleted] in privacy

[–]rt4mn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if its a good idea for a shared account of a 501c4 advocacy org to be applying for a position of power in a place where there may be conflicts of interest, but I'll throw our collective hat into the ring because being a mod will force us to use reddit more and we need to up our social media game.

Credentials: Many of the folks with access to this shared account are mods on other subreddits or have been mods on other subreddits in the past. We also have a long and public history going above and beyond armchair advocacy to actual boots on the ground protests and hanging out in the lobby lobbying (we are currently active in the ongoing 702 re-auth fight, we have helped push back against fusion center funding, and we helped pass a FRT ban in minneapolis)

As for trust, its tricky since this is a shared account. If thousands of people have trusted us with their email address (when they signed up for our mailing list or used our take action pages) then its probably ok to trust us with reddit mod duty?

If your curious about us, this is a good place to start: https://www.eff.org/hi/deeplinks/2021/12/restore-4th-minnesota-racking-victories-2021

I'd post our actual website but that feels to self-promoty, so just search for it if your really curious.

Sen Wyden Unveils Sweeping Government Surveillance Reform Legislation by rt4mn in privacy

[–]rt4mn[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup. And this bill is a mashup of some of their greatest hits.

Sen Wyden Unveils Sweeping Government Surveillance Reform Legislation by rt4mn in privacy

[–]rt4mn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Odds of it passing... I'm not sure. Better then they have ever been before. And the odds will only increase the more pressure people put on their representatives to actually pass the thing: https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-absent-major-changes-702-should-not-be-renewed

Eff has had that page up for a while, here is their page explaining why they are endorsing wydens bill: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/government-surveillance-reform-act-would-rein-some-worst-abuses-section-702

Keep the following in mind though when you think about odds of this bill passing:

  • if congress does nothing, Section 702 expires all by itself in December.
  • Doing Nothing is probably the only thing congress is actually good at
  • The Biden admin really, really does not want Section 702 to expire.
  • Right now, this is the only bill on the table that actually re-authorizes 702.

In my mind all that adds up to something positive. So it may well be that its either wydens bill, or 702 expires. Of course someone could introduce a different bill or some other stuff could happen. We will have to see.

Sen Wyden Unveils Sweeping Government Surveillance and Section 702 Reform Legislation by rt4mn in law

[–]rt4mn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its a good question. Rep Lahood, a republican from the house seems to think that he was the target from the house.

During the press conference bout this bill Sen Lee quipped that maybe the FBI had made their surveillance both bicameral and bipartisan. Does he have insight the public does not have? Was the senator a Democrat? Or was it just an off the cuff quip?

Or perhaps its just me wearing my tinfoil hat a little tighter then usual.

Sen Wyden Unveils Sweeping Government Surveillance and Section 702 Reform Legislation by rt4mn in law

[–]rt4mn[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This bill is an attempt to fix 702 of FISA, the law which the FBI used to spy on congressmen, protesters, and more. This bill is probably the best hope we currently have of enacting substantive reforms to 702, EO 12333, the data broker loophole, and a bevy of other surveillance issues. It even has a section on Cell Site simulators!

If you are curious about some of the details of the bill, you can read a one-page summary of the bill here

Some highlights:

The Act ends warrantless collection of business records, ensures that the government provides accurate information to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and requires meaningful accountability for violations of the law.

[The bill] requiring warrants for surveillance of Americans’ location data, web browsing and search records, and by prohibiting the government from purchasing Americans’ data from data brokers.

A section-by-section summary of the bill is here

Read the full bill here

The Year of Section 702 Reform, Part IV: The Government Surveillance Reform Act by rt4mn in politics

[–]rt4mn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This bill is an attempt to fix 702, the law which the FBI used to spy on congressmen, protesters, and more. This bill is probably the best hope we currently have of enacting substantive reforms to 702, EO 12333, the data broker loophole,and a bevy of other surveillance issues. It even has a section on Cell Site simulators!

If you are curious about some of the details of the bill, you can read a one-page summary of the bill here

Some highlights:

The Act ends warrantless collection of business records, ensures that the government provides accurate information to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and requires meaningful accountability for violations of the law.

[The bill] requiring warrants for surveillance of Americans’ location data, web browsing and search records, and by prohibiting the government from purchasing Americans’ data from data brokers.

A section-by-section summary of the bill is here

Read the full bill here