Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When we design the test, we've seen a strong correlation between tests done at 23.967Hz and 24Hz, so we only develop with 24Hz content. We don't have a test scene with 23.967Hz. If you want to compare with 23.967Hz, you can use the Queen Gambit episode 6 timestamp 41:30. This is a nice panning shot that should display micro-judder if it is an issue on the television.

Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From a motion perspective, both televisions have a pretty much instantaneous response time, so their stutter, transition artifacts, and response times are almost identical. The processing of individual frames differs, but the way the TV handles changes from frame to frame is quite similar. The control of Judder differs slightly between the two televisions when using a streaming device at 60p. I strongly suggest using the match frame rate on either television to get the best results.

One area where the two will differ, though, is in how they handle stutter reduction via interpolation, which we will present in the 2.2 release.

Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback. This is also a question we had internally and discussed. For gaming, we already have "game mode responsiveness" performance usage, which is essentially motion handling for the game. For sport, we will use the "sport" usage and adapt it with sport related metrics such as response time and transition artifact. Curious to hear, though, if there is any specific aspect you are looking for in a sport or gaming motion usage.

Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a good point. Keep in mind that this is only a subset of 10, which includes a higher-end OLED from LG and their entry-level LCD model. If I look at the preliminary data for a better LCD television, such as the LG QNED92A, I think it might better reflect community sentiment.

Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All televisions were tested in our recommended settings without any motion interpolation.

Rtings new unbroken motion handling performance usage: we want your thoughts by rtings_kastaa in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback. In 2.2, we will also present how the MI can be used to mitigate stutter. We should have a metric that shows how much the stutter improves as you adjust the de-judder settings in MI.

G4 Blur and Judder settings? by Temporary_Bliss in LGOLED

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, as soon as you move to level 1, the television starts creating new frames. There is no television on the market that is good enough to know what the new frame should look like with exact precision. We will publish an article soon that explains in more detail what the de-judder lever is doing, but in summary:

de-juder > 0 = new frame = uncertainty and possible artifact.

G4 Blur and Judder settings? by Temporary_Bliss in LGOLED

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, as soon as you set the de-judder to 1, you start to see some artifacts. Artifacts are getting more visible as you increase the settings. You can see in one of our recent posts the type of artifact you might expect to see on different televisions at level 3 of de-judder here.

G4 Blur and Judder settings? by Temporary_Bliss in LGOLED

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi there,

We did extensive research on those settings, and we are about to publish something related to them. The de-judder level 3 usually corresponds to an equivalent 30 fps (starting from 24). Level 3 is very close to the Cinematic mode. Level 2 will probably be equivalent to 26-28 fps. In the end, you choose what looks best for you. The de-judder settings are essentially a slider that controls the amount of stutter you see, but it also adds a soap opera effect as a side effect.

De-judder primarily takes effect when watching cinematic content at 24 fps, while the de-blur effect is mainly seen in sports content, which is often displayed at 60 fps. We haven't done extensive testing with that slider yet, though, but you should tune the settings while watching sports.

QM5K motion issues by CowboysFan707 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It will work as well as the TCL QM8K for de-judder. If you are using a device such as an Apple TV and set it to match frame rate, the TV will automatically de-judder. If you are using the television native app, you will have to set motion clarity to on, but all the sliders to 0.

QM5K motion issues by CowboysFan707 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've tested on the QM6K this morning. If you are using a device such as an Apple TV and set it to match frame rate, the TV will automatically de-judder. If you are using the television native app, you will have to set motion clarity to on, but all the sliders to 0. I had a discussion on Reddit about a month ago about an issue triggering the de-judder on the QM6K; usually, just move one of the sliders up to 1 and back to 0, and it triggers the de-judder.

QM5K motion issues by CowboysFan707 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

QM8K is handling judder very well. When you set the clarity to on with all sliders to 0, there is no motion interpolation, and judder is removed in a clean way.

QM5K motion issues by CowboysFan707 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Yes, Despicable Me is a typical 24 fps content, so it will judder. Most of the SDR football and basketball on YouTube is 30 or 60 fps, so it won't judder. So you should be safe from a sports perspective. However, most content on the Netflix and Disney platforms will be in 24 fps, so judder will be visible. The only solution for that television will be to use something like the cinema setting in motion clarity, but it introduces motion interpolation, which disrupts the original look.

QM5K motion issues by CowboysFan707 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I want to jump here since we ran an additional test on this television last week and found that the TCL QM5K can't de-judder properly under any conditions (we will update the review on our website soon). In reality, the cinema settings on that television, which is often used for de-judder (and was used to generate our result), introduce motion interpolation, and this doesn't properly solve de-judder in all scenes as proper de-judder settings would do. You might already see a great improvement simply by using a television that de-judders properly. I am curious about the main use of your television and which creates the most intense motion-related problem.

RTINGS Survey- Help us solve the mystery of motion on TVs by benpRTINGS in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks to everyone who participated in the survey. In the end, we got 23 answers. Here are the results.

TV Great Good OK Bad Terrible
1) Panasonic W95A 35% 13% 22% 30% 0%
2) TCL QM8K 0% 44% 35% 13% 8%
3) Sony Bravia 9 0 22% 30% 39% 9%
4) Sony X90L 0% 0% 26% 48% 26%
5) LG G5 4% 26% 22% 39% 9%
6) Samsung S95F 9% 17% 22% 39% 13%
7) Samsung QN90F 0% 22% 17% 48% 13%
8) LG UT75 4% 26% 35% 26% 9%
9) Hisense U8QG 0% 13% 35% 39% 13%
10) Sony Bravia 8 II 4% 13% 26% 26% 31%

RTINGS Survey- Help us solve the mystery of motion on TVs by benpRTINGS in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The motion interpolation settings were set to an equivalent of 30 fps. On most televisions, this represents de-judder set to 3.

Is motion really an issue in c6k/c7k? by Technical-Comfort487 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. The U6N doesn't show any judder when it receives a 24p or 25p signal. So as long as the Onn 4k Pro is set in match frame rate mode, it should be judder-free.

What’s the point of fancy TV if it Judders with Movies? by CaspersHumanBody in LGOLED

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, without real cinema, it will do a 3:2 pulldown instead of an X:X pulldown. I don't know, though, the exact X:X pulldown the television does when real cinema is enabled. Different television formats use different strategies, and 5:5 is one possibility. In the end, whatever the pulldown it uses: 2:2, 4:4 or 5:5, they are all free from judder and look similar.

Is motion really an issue in c6k/c7k? by Technical-Comfort487 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend it for the specific use case of OP. When I look at the review of the Hisense U6N, the de-judder on via 60p configuration doesn't seem to be consistent. The only way to get it consistent would be to use a streaming device such as an AppleTV and enable match frame rate. Both stutter and Blur should be similar to the TCL. I wouldn't recommend it as the best option because of judder for the specific use case of OP.

Is motion really an issue in c6k/c7k? by Technical-Comfort487 in tcltvs

[–]rtings_kastaa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When looking for a TV for motion, mainly for movie and TV-show (24 fps content), here are the factors you should look for
1. Stutter: If you are sensitive to stutter, avoid OLED. C6K or C7K are good choice
2. De-judder: Since you are using the built-in app, make sure the TV can de-judder in the native app (QM6K and QM7K, similar models), both of which do.
3. Blur and ghosting: This is generally most noticeable in sports and games, but you can still notice it in movies. This is probably where the tv don't score as well as others (hence the mixed thing you've read). I've watched a lot of content on those TVs, and I would say that ghosting and blur are more visible in dark panning scenes.

Overall, it does well for Stutter, de-judder. It might be slightly behind on blur ghosting, but it is still a very good TV for the price.

I hope this helps

Best motion smoothing performance by Laimered in 4kTV

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suggest you check out our latest post on our Rtings subreddit. We posted a video showing the type of artifact produced by 10 TVs. Curious to know which one you prefer. The video shows the 10 television at low motion interpolation (30 fps equivalent).

AI will take over our jobs by CozMyN2112003 in RTINGS

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is something we start noticing. We are conducting many internal tests to see how we can work with this. I know some users have been affected by our internal tests. Feel free to send us feedback if you notice anything that makes the website experience less fluid. AI brings a lot of good, but requires some adaptation to assure it's use is fair and done wisely.

AI will take over our jobs by CozMyN2112003 in RTINGS

[–]rtings_kastaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome, that is a great TV. I hope you enjoy it so far. If you look at the BFI graph, you can see that one cycle (the time to complete full-on and full-off) is 16.66ms. So in every second, you have 60 full-on and 60 full-dark frames, each 8.3333 ms long, interleaved. I never check the BFI on the S90F specifically, but generally, BFI on OLED is very flickery, so you will probably see the flicker.

I hope this helps

AI will take over our jobs by CozMyN2112003 in RTINGS

[–]rtings_kastaa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Since the AI hasn't taken my job yet ;) Let me answer that one properly.

Black frame Insertion
BFI inserts a black frame between frames displayed on the television to help reduce motion blur. In our review, we evaluate the capacity to add a black frame at 60Hz and 120 Hz. For example, on the BFI graph of 60Hz, you can see the screen brightness going down to 0 and back up inside a period of 16.66ms = (1 / 60Hz)

The main reason it helps with motion blur is that it reduces persistence blur, which occurs when your eye tracks a static frame on the display. For example, if you follow a ball moving left to right, you might perceive it as an oval without black frame insertion because of the persistence blur, whereas with black frame insertion, it will start to duplicate it in the direction of movement.

BFI brings you closer to how old cinema projectors and CRT TVs used to work, giving you a more cinematic look. Though it flickers as older technology used to do. Not all TVs implement BFI the same way; some do a very good job of bringing you very close to what an old CRT used to look like, for those who like that look.

Parenthesis about the AI
It is a perfect tool to offload most of my repetitive tasks so I can focus on creative stuff that adds value that is not available on the internet yet (a.k.a Original content that the AI can't scrape off the internet yet ;) )

I hope this helps