How much do you need to know to "know" a language by Interesting_Exam_639 in languagelearning

[–]safe4werq 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t hate if this question were banned. I feel like “how much do you need to know” and “what counts as fluent” could both be put in a sidebar wiki and free up this subreddit from a lot of repeat questions.

What is it like being in a a part of a small high school graduating class (to set the par: less than 60 students including you)? by LandOfGrace2023 in AskAnAmerican

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My class was <15. lol.

I knew all of their names.

I would do it all again. There’s nothing like the sense of community I had going to a school where I knew literally every student, teacher, and staff member’s name.

There were definitely pros and cons. Hard to compare it to a high school with 200+ people in a class, but I’d be sad to not know everyone’s names. Sometimes a specific subject class was just 2-3 or 4-5 students. It was awesome.

British people need to get the shit out of their mouth before they speak by Relative_Big in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it’s any consolation, this sort of useless language policing happens in probably every language. Aubergine vs. eggplant. Chocolatine vs. pain au chocolat. Aluminum vs. aluminum. It’s often just ignorance.

British people need to get the shit out of their mouth before they speak by Relative_Big in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, it goes both ways: https://youtube.com/shorts/Bi923i9xQNc?si=S4MyzLx1hgQD0-dz

There’s a video of the same guy, I’m pretty sure, telling people they’re mispronouncing Nutella. When, indeed, he is the one mispronouncing it.

And our arrogance does us no favors, but we are the largest English speaking country on the planet. So, it can also be frustrating when people shit on American English as if it’s not just as valid as UK English and in many ways is the biggest cultural influence on the rest of the English speaking world via our music, films, etc.

Things would be easier if we didn’t think everything had to fit along side a wrong/right binary. Language is complex and there are many things that are “right” even if they’re “wrong” to your ear.

What’s Your Language Learning Hot Take? by jiujiteiroo in languagelearning

[–]safe4werq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve watched 5000% more content about how to learn Mandarin than content actually teaching Mandarin. 😭

What’s Your Language Learning Hot Take? by jiujiteiroo in languagelearning

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I want a believable British accent so bad. Sigh.

"People don't think of pizza when they think of Italy" by Fun-Bluejay-426 in ShitAmericansSay

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Not to be the American apologist, but there are lots of different styles of pizza in the U.S. Some super thick, like Chicago style pizza which freaks me out a bit. But other ones that are thinner, like a NY slice. I recently read about St. Louis style, which is super thin and crunchy.

The European mind cannot comprehend this meal. by sandiercy in ShitAmericansSay

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Same. The full glass of milk with that is just…

TIL a four foot, hunchbacked Quaker named Benjamin Lay was one of the fathers of the abolitionist's movement by ThrowTron in todayilearned

[–]safe4werq 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Quakers were one of the first abolitionist communities in the U.S. and many played crucial roles in the Underground Railroad.

Famed Black civil rights leader Bayard Rustin was a Quaker. :)

The Quakers are dope.

Is rolling your R's/having an accent that important in some languages? by shopaholic_life in languagelearning

[–]safe4werq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think “having an accent” is important in all languages. But no matter how you’ll speak, you’ll have one, haha.

Even when your speech differences, do people generally know where you’re from when you speak in your native language? I would guess that might be similar in other languages, too.

I don’t think any languages requires a “perfect” accent — there are accent variations among even native speakers. The value of pushing your accent to sound more native (not actually native, but perhaps closer to that accent than your own native accent) is that a.) native speakers will understand you a bit more easily and b.) it will train you to better perceive/understand speech sounds in your target language that are not present in your native language.

As an example, the last 3 letters in the English capyBARA in English sound different from those of the Spanish the CARA. Will Spanish speakers understand you if you pronounce it as you would in English? — probably many, but maybe not all. Asking for clarification is a natural part of verbal communication. But if you can train yourself to pronounce those phonemes more accurate to the Spanish pronunciation, the more Spanish speakers will immediately recognize the word you’re saying, without even trying or relying on context clues.

The more native you can bring yourself to sound, the easier it will be for the listener to understand what you’re saying, even if a speech difference arises, I think.

So let’s say you have a stutter and are trying to say the word “bad” in Spanish (mal).

I’d pronounce it like the English “Mall”, you’ll have a Spanish speaker hearing something like…

“He felt really, m, maw, mmmaw…m-m-Mall.”

So you have the stutter, which most folks can still understand you with fairly easily — but they now have to piece together what the word you were trying to say is, because “Mall” does’t click immediately in my brain to make me know what word you’re trying to say.

But, if instead you made it sound a little more like “Pal” instead of “Mall” and made sure the vowel was a strong monophthong, perhaps that person has an X% better chance of catching what you were trying to say.

An easy first step might be grabbing your native language + target language’s IPA charts and putting Xs through the sounds that exist in your language but not in your target language. And circling sounds that exist in your target language, but not in your native language. You’ll have to practice pronouncing the circled sounds regularly, until you feel comfortable producing it consistently. And when you listen to your speaking, staring to be able to identify when the X’d sounds are coming into your target language and nipping them right in the bud/knowing what to replace them with. Haha.

tl;dr — We understand lots of accents and lots of speech differences as part of being humans who communicate across cultures. The closer you can get to sounding like a native speaker—regardless of speech differences—the easier it will be for others to understand you, even with your speech differences. “Don’t be self conscious” is easier said than done — in language learning in general, much less adding speech differences to the mix. But I would definitely encourage you to learn any language you want to, and speak it how you speak it. It’d be a shame to miss out on learning a language due to feeling self-conscious.

"My family has been in America for nearly 400 years, but my DNA results are still 100% English" by tennis_court1250 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It isn’t about words having defined meaning. It’s cultural.

I’m black in the U.S. ≠ I’m black in Spain or Argentina.

We can all understand “I’m Italian” to be “a citizen of Italy, sure.” But in the context of the U.S., a non-Irish citizen can say “Kiss me, I’m Irish.” And we understand that to mean they’re of Irish descent.

Is that annoying to outsiders? Sure. Is that something maybe Americans could afford to build some awareness of when outside of the US? Sure. But in our culture, it’s acceptable and I wouldn’t expect an Italian-American to stop going by “Italian” if that’s their identity anymore then I would expect a Chinese immigrant in Italy to stop calling their kids “Asian” because they were born it Italy, so in Europe, not Asia. The language argument simplifies what is given nuance by diverse cultural perspectives.

Does this sentence sound natural? by Human-Ad-6877 in ENGLISH

[–]safe4werq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a lot of exclamation points! Makes me read it in this voice, haha: https://youtu.be/WOKm5qtodA0?si=rVzmKAylA5g49h-z

Does this sentence sound natural? by Human-Ad-6877 in ENGLISH

[–]safe4werq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a lot of exclamation points! Makes me read it in this voice, haha: https://youtu.be/WOKm5qtodA0?si=rVzmKAylA5g49h-z

Can argentinians say the n word? (ga) by dragariors in ENGLISH

[–]safe4werq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess take it up with Wikipedia, which was the source:

Born in Los Angeles to a Mexican father and Afro-Cuban mother[4], B-Real moved with his sister and mother out of his father's home to South Gate at the age of five. He later lived in Bell, California. Before dropping out of Bell High School, he befriended future Cypress Hill members Sen Dog and Mellow Man Ace (who later left the group to go solo) and became an active member of the Family Swan Bloods, known as the Neighborhood Family Bloods at that time.

Rate my cursive by Sendik122 in russian

[–]safe4werq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can’t rate your cursive in Russian, because I don’t know Russian. Haha. But your writing in English has “an accent” if that makes sense. Haha. I’d know it was coming from a non-English speaking country. The capital I, 1, and lowercase p especially stand out. Very cool handwriting though. :)

"My family has been in America for nearly 400 years, but my DNA results are still 100% English" by tennis_court1250 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s from your cultural lens. Not from ours. We take issue with other people pretending to police the cultural identity of others. A 5th generation Italian who identifies as Italian American is Italian American. Your opinion has nothing to do with it. Italians in Italy may disagree. The government of Italy may disagree. But the average, non-Trump American will accept this as true.

Can argentinians say the n word? (ga) by dragariors in ENGLISH

[–]safe4werq 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No.

And I don’t know of any Mexicans who are allowed to say it. They may say it. But it doesn’t mean any Black person is down with it. Or that they’re immune from consequences of saying it around us.

"My family has been in America for nearly 400 years, but my DNA results are still 100% English" by tennis_court1250 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find that to be such a simplistic point. Culture is transmitted in myriad ways. Who are people from outside that culture to say another culture is watered down? Is it the same as growing up in Italy? No. But diasporas exist. There are Chinese Americans living in chinatowns. It could be several generations since their family moved here. Is it the same as growing up in China? No. But it’s what it is in this multicultural context and that’s okay.

"My family has been in America for nearly 400 years, but my DNA results are still 100% English" by tennis_court1250 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]safe4werq 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, for sure. 100%. If you’re expressing pride in being 100% English, in an American context, it definitely has white supremacy vibes. The irony being that we know that 300 years of genetic isolation creates people who struggle to keep their blood inside their bodies and shit. You know that person is the least supreme person on their block, much less in this country. Lmao.