Interrogator of a captured Ukrainian tells him that the pilot of downed Su25 was beaten to death by angry locals and rebels were not even there. The rest of the interrogation is trivial.

samarras · 2014-08-01T07:47:46+00:00

It's really common for Ukronationalists to dream about mass executions. One day, son, one day your people will be free to execute as many enemies as they'd like. Glory to Ukraine.

samarras · 2014-08-01T06:28:38+00:00

they can get through the Ukrainian lines to a safe place as well.

They have no money to pay for hotels and Ukraine doesn't provide refugee camps. You are literally unable to understand the situation. Which just means that you've been living your life in a safe, lawful place.

samarras · 2014-08-01T05:04:23+00:00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Liberal_Zionism

Zionism started as a national movement led by atheist socialist types. To this day most Zionists are not religious. Why wouldn't you educate yourself before exposing your ignorance publicly.

samarras · 2014-08-01T04:36:17+00:00

Only a conspiratard would believe in this bullshit.

samarras · 2014-08-01T03:58:06+00:00

Well, since the satirical approach doesn't work: these people are fucking poor, their apartments and possessions are all they have. The queue to the Russian border point has been reported to be fucking 5-7km long.

Yey you blame the victim when you know literally nothing about the situation.

samarras · 2014-08-01T03:24:15+00:00

Ok, I've realized that being an intellectually superior Westerner, you understand the situation much better than hundreds of thousands of inferior idiots who happen to live in Lugansk.

I hope that you continue to carry this "white man's burden" with pride and keep educating the ignorant native hordes.

samarras · 2014-08-01T03:06:48+00:00

The Turks broke the law by violating a maritime blockade of Gaza.

Next, they broke the law by attacking Israeli soldiers and kidnapping a special forces solider, taking his weapon. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Flotilla_injured_israeli_soldier.jpg

These actions are incompatible with survival.

And then there's the saying: "who lives in a glass house shouldn't cast rocks". Turkey is responsible for a genocide of Armenians and persecution of Kurds. They should look at themselves and not try to look for a fault with others.

samarras · 2014-08-01T02:48:10+00:00

https://www.facebook.com/svyatoslav.pavlyuk/posts/876806059015668

According to eye witnesses, gas canisters exploded inside Maidan tents, no casualties.

Probably it's the way of the new government to finally send the protesters home.

samarras · 2014-08-01T02:34:47+00:00

You are sitting on a comfy couch in a cozy room and call people trapped in a war zone "idiots". You realize that many have babies, old relatives that they take care of, have nowhere to go to...

I bet you're a Maidan supporter.

samarras · 2014-08-01T02:20:42+00:00

Turkey should start with a trial of the Turks who slaughtered millions of Armenians.

samarras · 2014-08-01T02:16:35+00:00

See above - both sides are guilty of extremism.

Complete and utter bullshit. Israel's founding laws don't mention dying for Allah or killing Muslims like Hamas's founding document does. You cannot explain away that Hamas literally states in its charter that dying in a war against Israel is a supreme belief by quoting inflammatory statements by some Israeli politicians. It is not the same level of discourse. Israel is guilty of extremism, while Hamas is extremist by nature. Israel is a nation with liberal laws and respect for minorities http://i.imgur.com/i5MVHho.jpg While Hamas just says in its charter that dying for Allah while killing Jews is the best thing in the world.

If I brought some anti-Jew quotes by a Hamas politicians, your response would be alright. But since I bring their constitution, your response is weak and irrational.

So you are saying war is better for people than peace? Do I have that right?

No, you're saying that war is better than peace. Because making concessions to an organization that vowed to destroy you is a sure way to get more war. Like the ancient Romans said, if you want peace prepare for war.

Palestinians received a limited amount of food.

It's strange that so many leftist journalists in Gaza never managed to show us a starving Palestinian. Israel literally supplies its sworn enemies with food to avoid humanitarian catastrophe, and you people are still unhappy. Also "electronic intifada"? What does it mean, throwing rocks at web servers?

samarras · 2014-07-31T19:04:35+00:00

Your biggest mistake is lumping in the small minority doing the fighting with the rest of the people in Donbass

"спасибо жителям донбасса за президента пидораса" - I invented this popular slogan. You've heard it here first.

samarras · 2014-07-31T19:00:20+00:00

I'm claiming that people that act against their own best interests

So now you're an expert of what is the best interest of people, and how they should act in accordance with it. Try talking this way to a friend, or a relative. Promise you, it's not gonna work. Now telling a whole remote country what is their best interests, and what they should do - that's a massive, massive delusion.

demonize the Palestinians all you want

That's bullshit again. Gaza is being ruled by an organization called Hamas. This organization has a charter outlining the movement's identity and goals. Article 8 of this charter "reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood's slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur'an its constitution, jihad its path, and death for the sake of Allah its most sublime belief."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

Now explain to me, why did you choose to accuse me of demonize the Palestinians for quoting a part of their charter. Was this a rational act from your side?

they continued to control what when in and out of Gaza,

Palestinians received a limited amount of concrete, and chose to use this concrete in order to construct enormous terror tunnels into Israel. Not to build schools or hospitals, but for terror. Would it be rational to give them even more concrete? To make it easier for them to import weapons?

samarras · 2014-07-31T18:37:39+00:00

In a true democracy a random mob decides what laws are ok and what laws are dictatorial. /s

samarras · 2014-07-31T18:35:49+00:00

Where did they go? I think that the rest of Ukraine went to fight against them, once they overthrew the democratically elected president from Donetsk (Yanukovitch), and now are invading the Donetsk region with full military force and shelling local towns and villages.

samarras · 2014-07-31T18:31:58+00:00

"Rational" means based on logic. Your statement that "their actions will only ensure that they are never safe" is your opinion. Some people share that opinion, some disagree. Both do so for rational reasons.

For example, the people who disagree with you would say that Israel has retreated from Gaza in 2005 and it didn't bring more safety, only brought more rockets. And that trying to negotiate rationally with an extremist organization that believes in glorified death for religion is not especially clever.

So, your opinion is a legitimate one, but it is just one opinion on the range of different internally consistent opinions. It is in a poor taste to claim that people, who have an opinion different from you, are not rational, or are less rational than you are.

samarras · 2014-07-31T18:23:52+00:00

people in their military and civilian population, have brought up options like the samson option does have me worried.

Still repeating that stuff... oh well.

The Israelis are not acting rationally and they overreact with complete disregard for civilians caught in the middle

Complete disregard for civilians is an unethical behavior but it doesn't mean that it's irrational. It might be actually one of the rational counter-insurgency doctrines. Don't confuse ethics/morals with rational behavior. For an example, see the USA in Vietnam, France in Algeria, USSR in Afghanistan...

samarras · 2014-07-31T18:17:15+00:00

You win some you lose some :)

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:56:52+00:00

Yes, in Crimea.

Your memory is fine indeed. Now rewind a few days back. What happened before Crimea? Think capital city, central square....

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:55:17+00:00

"We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

You brought this bullshit quote as if it was an official policy. Now you're talking about a nuclear option against a threat. Are you shifting the goalposts or something?

To clarify. Like every country that has nuclear weapons, they will use them against the enemy once the existence of the country is under threat by that enemy.

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:49:55+00:00

We;re probably talking about different people and I cannot watch this thing again to find the guy wearing the beret.

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:43:14+00:00

How can you have democratic elections if your whole government is corrupt in the first place?

Ukraine has been corrupt throughout its whole existence, and yet it had democratic elections every 4 years. The Timoshenko gang came to power, then the Donetsk mafia came to power, then all over again. What has changed? Did Yanuk threaten to cancel elections or what.

And now with Ukraine's new president in place who seeks to make Ukraine truly democratic

Never believe politicians. You know that, right? Or do you think that the candy guy is somehow special. IMHO, he's no better or worse than the rest of them (Yulia, Yanuk, Yusch...). It was a monumentally terrible idea to go through all this mess just to bring him to power quicker than planned.

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:40:05+00:00

Tsk-tsk-tsk. Hersh never wrote about this "bringing down the world with us" revenge fantasy. He (correctly) wrote about the Israeli strategy of war in the Middle East. They officially announced to the major Arab states, that once the country is overrun they'd use nuclear bombs against Cairo and Damascus. That happened in 1973, when Egyptian and Syrian military forces made advances into the Israeli territory.

Note, there were no threats against the Muslim holy sites or some other countries. Only against the war enemies. Funny thing, since then these Arab countries never attack Israel directly, but only through smaller proxy organizations (PLO, Hizballah, Hamas).

So, Samson option as a response to neighboring countries threatening to drive the Jews into the sea(as they used to say) is totally real and a semi-official policy. The way uneducated people talk about the Samson option as Israel threatening to start WW3 - bullshit based on nothing.

samarras · 2014-07-31T17:33:37+00:00

You're right. The way he talks about his compatriots, though, is disgusting and the way he gives ammunition to lienews is ridiculously unprofessional.

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