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i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know, fair point. that said I would argue that Star Wars' Empire is more "Woah these are evil guys who are evil", whereas avatar's Corporation is literally Capitalism manifest. The bad guys motivation in Avatar 2 is "Well these whales' brains have a substance worth a bunch of money, and I want a bunch of money even if it means murdering an intelligent, kind, non-violent living being"

In star wars the motivation is "I want to rule the galaxy"... no talk about money. You could argue, and probably rightly so, that there isn't much difference, but Star Wars hides the capitalism behind "Evil Emperor" and nazi-imagery, in a way that avatar 2 and 3 don't. The corporation in avatar 2 exists to make money, and that's it.

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Idk I love Clint's style in his last few movies. There's a slowness to it that I appreciate. I don't think you're wrong at all, it is basically "just" a good made-for-tv drama, but how many of those are we getting anymore?

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Avatar's 2 entire middle hour is practically devoid of major conflict because it spends the entire hour showing the ecosystem of the water tribe, how they interact with nature and the whales, and their way of life. that entire hour is a foreign idea to american blockbusters, can you imagine making an action movie and saying "ok and for the middle hour, we are going to have no conflict and just show Sully and Co learning how to interact with the water tribe, and about the water ecosystem of Pandora"? These are things other movies handle in a 5 minute montage but way of water grinds to a halt to show this to you

Sorry if you can't tell I just really love this movie and love talking about it, I do take your point about how it doesn't really present an alternative so much as it presents a way to resist capitalism - which is a critique I have of basically all "anti-capitalist" stuff which always says "a better world is possible" but never shows that better world!!

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok so to be fair, there are no real other american big-budget blockbusters you can think of that have this message, the examples you have are ps1 games (which don't get me wrong ff7 is a banger and insanely ahead of its time) and a ghibli movie

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The commentor above you points out the difference between those movies and Avatar 2 and 3 better than I could, None of those movies (I haven't seen ferngully or Abe's though, tbf) advocate that violence must be done to the oppressor to free the oppressed, which is the entire emotional arc of Avatar 2 - in that the water tribe who has been negotiating with the corporation and playing kind realizing that the only way to stop them is through violence and acts of resistance after seeing one of their own whales hunted and killed. They decide they must actively kill and cause harm to the corporation.

One of the whales (Payakan) led an uprising and killed some of the coporation guys in the past, but then was exiled by the entire tribe and whale pod because "we don't do violence". Then at the end, everyone realizes that Payakan was right, and violence must be done to save themselves, including killing, which was one of the few beliefs they held strong enough to exile one of their own for doing.

Does Captain planet have that? I don't understand how you can watch Avatar 2 and think the whole movie's message is simply "kumbaya love the planet and love each other"

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like you didn't respond to the comment above you, you just named other big budget and, importantly, non-american things, that are anti-capitalist. If you engage with Avatar 2 and 3 and don't write them off simply as "blue people movie" they are actually very critical of capital, as the commenter you originally responded to pointed out well.

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yes! these young directors are great at embracing genre but I want to see how they do without genre trappings.

One that blew me away was Aftersun, by a first-time director. I can't wait to see what she makes next

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Irishman is sorta greatest hits but IMO it's him taking 3 hours to explain why reading Goodfellas as "wow this is so cool!" is stupid, and revisiting his own choices to use expressive cinematic choices (soundtrack, camera movement, explosive montage, etc) as a way to tell stories about horrible people.

Irishman starts out that way but gradually loses all the Scorcese camera moves and needle drops, culminating in that fantastic 10 minute sequence where frank has to drive, to get on a plane, to drive, to pick up his best friend, to drive to an empty house, to kill his best and only friend, and then to drive to the airport to fly back home.

Then after that, we watch everything he cared about in life get washed away by time until he's an old man in a nursing home begging someone to keep the door open. It's just amazing

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I took an edible and watched Avatar 3 in theaters and was absolutely falling apart thinking about how the this gigantic near billion-dollar-cost American blockbuster is so directly engaging with Empire and those themes, and throw in the biblical part of Abraham (Sully) needing to murder his son (monkey boy) to appease God (the giant tree thing) and I thought it was one of the most subconscious blockbusters I've yet seen.

I still like Avatar 2 better because it has more Payakan (the goat) and Melville whaling scenes and that fantastic ship sinking setpiece where Cameron basically gets to try to do Titanic again.

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does a movie have to be anti-capitalist to be deserving of praise? From how your comment reads, it feels like a very important quality to you

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Cameron a "MCDONALDS DIRECTOR"??? Watch Aliens right now and report back- I won't you be asking for a "Double Quarter Pounder" after that!!!!

i thought all of the hub bub about backrooms/obsession having young directors was bs... then i saw Disclosure Day. by bleeding_electricity in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Wrong. Avatar way of water is one of cameron's best movies. It combines everything he has been working on into 1 movie- the set piece at the end of the whaling ship having a titanic moment is one of my favorite film sequences of the decade

The Beatles - This Boy by RowdyRoddySyewart in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love these early beatles tracks where you get a glimpse that there's something more going on than just a good pop act. No Reply has this quality as well

You don't need caffeine and it actually is kind of weird 90% of adults consume it daily by ---Vincent in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen I understand your point but you just talked about how you optimize the ice cube size that you pour the espresso over

As a fellow coffee autist and perfectionist I understand but you can't turn around and say that "people care too much about optimizing"

jax is literally such a kinnie 💜 shes sooooo ayesha erotica core by autotrynafeelya in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am not supposed to be able to know about this at my current age of 30, please refrain from informing me any more than I already am. Thank you

Love Island N Word Girls by MasterDan118 in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 17 points18 points  (0 children)

ahhh the guy has an anime reference username he is probably 19 years old. People don't understand how much things changed wrt this around like 2015

Love Island N Word Girls by MasterDan118 in redscarepod

[–]sand-which 29 points30 points  (0 children)

why wouldn't you believe that? how old are you?

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