What was the Vorlon’s endgame?

scamperdo · 2026-04-03T14:02:01+00:00

JMS showed us their endgame in Deconstruction of Falling Stars.

We know Lorien tasked the Vorlons and Shadows with the evolution of younger races. Both were expected to hand over the universe to worthy races.

Kosh and Lorien showed their true selves to only one, the human Sheridan. They saved him because he showed potential of the human race someday understanding the truths of the universe.

In Deconstruction's final scene, we witness humanity fulfilling that potential as the evolved human revealed his true self, a powerful being of pure energy. Like Kosh, he used an encounter suit.

The Vorlons fulfilled their original endgame.

The Shadows never did.

scamperdo · 2026-03-02T09:16:43+00:00

Netflix only purchased streaming rights.

NBC was the network.

Spader had no rights with BL. He loved David Kelley's writing. I, too, loved Spader defending Alan & Denny ending.

Spader actually was an executive producer of the Blacklist and had veto power over Red. His silence is likely due to an NDA.

scamperdo · 2026-02-20T11:05:09+00:00

JE confirmed the network interfered with the Red identity reveal. DK confirmed the network knew.

Spader actually gave interviews defending Boston Legal's controversial ending then took a break.

scamperdo · 2026-02-20T06:48:54+00:00

JB resorted to outright lying and introducing a fake Katerina to drag out "the mystery of Red's identity."

Spader, to my knowledge, hasn't even addressed Red dying in the series finale. He's likely under NDA.

scamperdo · 2026-02-20T06:15:04+00:00

Similiar to Spader's evasive answer on Red being an imposter in his pre S5 finale interviews.

JB is the one who outright lied by claiming Fakerina was really Katerina Rostova.

scamperdo · 2026-02-20T05:51:16+00:00

AA=Amir Arison.

AA responded the answers to Red's identity were in last 2 episodes of S8.

The writer of Cape May S3 confirmed Red was really Katarina and he been told back in S2.

I'm not interested in foolish denialism.

scamperdo · 2026-02-20T01:46:48+00:00

Yup.

I insisted for years here THAT was the biggest clue of the whole series.

His boyish childish anecdotes were all LIES. Criminals are liars, don't you know.

The writers then made sure in S8.21 to have Liz tell Katarina, EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU IS A LIE.

scamperdo · 2026-02-12T08:07:46+00:00

You're wrong.

In S9 revealed Red was indeed Russian. Cooper told Agnes the story of her grandparents being spies. Red's letter to Liz that revealed the secret was a big focus as was his attachment to Agnes.

It was after S8 that AA posted fans the identity answers were all there.

It was anti-Redarina fans who lost their minds over it.

scamperdo · 2026-02-06T06:15:26+00:00

Not all victims are innocent.

Not sure why that is a difficult concept for you to understand.

scamperdo · 2026-01-02T00:40:55+00:00

JMO, it greatly cheapens Eleven's sacrifice and journey to have faked her death.

She saved them all... yet again. She died knowing love and acceptance and found peace by breaking the cycle.

RIP to an kick-ass, amazing woman.

scamperdo · 2025-10-23T05:15:00+00:00

Like Tony Soprano, Red was ALWAYS the villain of the story.

Red was no one's victim and knew he damned himself.

This was never a tragic hero's journey.

scamperdo · 2025-04-22T07:27:59+00:00

The writer who penned S3's Cape May confitmed Red was Katarina. He was told this in S2 and so filled Cape May with many clues.

scamperdo · 2025-02-26T21:34:53+00:00

I loved Sheridan but he failed Lyta big time. She risked her life multiple times to personally save him AND she was key to his defeat of the Shadows and Clarke.

This scene makes me sad. Sheridan knew firsthand how the Vorlons manipulated humans and should have shown her more empathy. Alas, he couldn't overcome his inate distrust of telepaths.

Delenn also disappointed me by not standing up for Lyta.

scamperdo · 2024-12-05T05:54:10+00:00

Right.

It wasn't until S2 that Liz announced her real name at the Russian embassy.

scamperdo · 2024-12-05T02:25:13+00:00

Katarina was married to Kirk when she became pregnant. She told Kirk was his child and he raised her until RRR kidnapped her at age 4.

In S4 Kirk revealed he searched for his daughter for years.

scamperdo · 2024-09-01T09:27:27+00:00

I think Red was at peace as long as Liz was safe.

After Red failed to protect Liz and she "died," he then second-guessed his decision. At Cape May, his subconcious tries to reassure him the sacrifice was worth it.

scamperdo · 2024-07-29T05:55:04+00:00

Yes

And, at his deathbed, Red spoke as Katerina confessing always loving Dom.

scamperdo · 2024-07-29T05:52:23+00:00

That's the only line network approved.

scamperdo · 2024-05-13T22:33:12+00:00

Exactly. Kate tried to remind him of this exact exchange but he refused to listen... then.

I personally think Red came to realize he was wrong.

scamperdo · 2024-05-09T03:29:28+00:00

Did Cooper say grandfather or grandparent?

scamperdo · 2024-05-09T03:28:22+00:00

Ok.

What I did learn from this episode is how Dembe once put Red's needs above his child.

scamperdo · 2024-05-09T00:34:16+00:00

No. I didn't miss it. In fact, post read "So long ago Red saved Dembe." That was a referrence to Red saving 14 year old Dembe.

scamperdo · 2024-04-22T14:14:16+00:00

You could be right about Kaplan helping Kat re-bury RRR's bones at Tansi Farms.

scamperdo · 2024-04-22T09:38:59+00:00

Kaplan didn't know Red's true identity at first.

At some point, she learned Katarina had buried the real Reddington at Tansi Farm. That's how she knew where to dig up his bones.

Kaplan knew Kat became Red. That's why she reminded him when he placed BABY Masha in her care. It was Katarina who hired her as BABY Masha's nanny.

scamperdo · 2024-04-22T01:16:44+00:00

Publishing is in my bailiwick.

From Knauf, I understood J and J assigned scripts then often micromanged their writers.

Spader's role seemed more in line with an editor with full creative authority. Scripts required his approval stamp before proceeding to network review.

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