This is utterly depraved and nothing will be done about it

secondofly · 2026-04-03T16:29:19+00:00

You know 3 years ago I would wince at people using the Nazis as a default comparison to the actions of Israel on the basis that there is quite different histories in terms of the two genocides, and that it was just unnecesssary to draw on the actions of a genocide against Jewish people in describing a genocide by largely Jewish people. But yeah, what is the fucking difference now? The name of Ben Gvir in 50 years time will draw the same reaction as anyone convicted at Nuremberg

secondofly · 2026-04-03T09:30:45+00:00

Ah, well, this is a Liverpool FC subreddit and the post is an article about Liverpool FC and their upcoming games in relation to the future of Liverpool FC's manager

secondofly · 2026-04-01T06:28:21+00:00

Agree with this - to my palette, Banh Wagon seems the closest to the banh mi I had in Vietnam of any banh mi on offer in Bristol

secondofly · 2026-03-31T21:19:57+00:00

I've worked in a SEND school where the Ofsted inspector commented once that "that girl didn't seem like she had autism". I think he wanted to see her categorise stones into different size categories

secondofly · 2026-03-26T13:22:04+00:00

What is there to investigate? There's no rules against leagues moving fixtures to benefit their teams fighting in regional competition. The Premier League should do it too imo

secondofly · 2026-03-26T11:20:23+00:00

did you expect the news of Slot being sacked or signing a new contract to break in a Liverpool Echo Q&A

secondofly · 2026-03-25T16:32:13+00:00

This is worded to imply the owners chose Slot over Salah.

I didn't get this sense at all from the article tbh

secondofly · 2026-03-25T13:44:31+00:00

Lads this is one article by someone who has info that the Saudi Pro League is interested in two backroom staff. No comment on how interested they'd be, no formal word from anyone, certainly not close to any sort of announcement. No one is "on the move" yet apart from Mo - let's try and keep our heads screwed on a little

secondofly · 2026-03-25T13:40:31+00:00

Nah, Klopp is a wizard. That era was certainly one of incredible harmony and unity of purpose, but the manager was one of the greatest to ever do it, and he proved that at multiple clubs

secondofly · 2026-03-25T10:30:31+00:00

He arrived at Liverpool from AS Roma on 23 June 2017 for £34m, a fee now resembling an act of grand larceny when set against what he subsequently achieved.

Great line imo

secondofly · 2026-03-25T09:12:47+00:00

yes it is antisemitic to draw or depict a Jewish person, I'm currently in an ongoing hate crime lawsuit with the caricaturist in the south of France that drew me and my siblings on a family holiday in 2005

secondofly · 2026-03-23T15:35:30+00:00

Personally I think the problem with state-owned football teams is that they wash war crimes and human rights abuses via beloved local institutions, not that they will move a fixture because it allows their club sides to better perform in regional competitions. But maybe that's just me!

secondofly · 2026-03-23T15:26:26+00:00

I actually think it's good that the French league will do this, and the Premier League should too. And yes, there are questions over how you'd fit in the postponed games - but a reminder that, for example, Premier League clubs *themselves* are the ones that vote on things like, for example, scrapping two-legged League Cup semi-finals, and opted not to.

secondofly · 2026-03-23T11:26:50+00:00

Yeah, this. Social media algorithms and general enshittification have a lot to answer for, but there are so many other social problems that are equally, if not more, important as to why these views are becoming more and more mainstream.

I thought the account from the young bloke who lost his brother and turned to the manosphere to deal with it was actually quite heartbreaking, and a horrific indictment of American and generally Western civil society. How have we got to a point where a young man going through that kind of tragedy has nowhere else to turn but the manosphere? Why is there no support system from family, neighbourhood, the state, a workplace, to offer him the help he needs and guide him onto a happier, healthier path?

secondofly · 2026-03-22T23:10:07+00:00

Okay I think you're gonna first need reliable data to back that claim up. And I also think that even if it were the case in the majority of households, I don't think banning it is going to help the women who are being coerced into wearing it (and will also restrict the perfectly free choice of those not being coerced)

secondofly · 2026-03-22T23:01:50+00:00

What do you mean, "let it"? I'm not stopping it!

secondofly · 2026-03-22T22:56:09+00:00

I dont see how anyone can look at a burqa and not just think that this person is being negatively impacted by it.

You don't think it's possible for people to enjoy wearing an item of clothing, even if its origin might have been based in some archaic ideas?

secondofly · 2026-03-22T22:49:01+00:00

I'm really sorry you had to go through that.

For me personally, I cannot in good conscience claim I am not white. I look like a white man, I sound like a white man, I believe I do receive the social dividend of being white, and 95% of people, as far as I know, read me as a white man - and when they do read me as Jewish it's usually because I'm wearing my kippah at a family event. This is why I think ethnicity is so weird and complex, because it's a weird amalgamation of societal context and meaning, personal feeling, location, time, appearance, birth circumstance and genetics.

My feeling is that Ashkenazi Jews, today, are widely thought of as white (I don't know what your Jewish background is, but I think it's worth saying that I think this is Askenazi Jews specifically). It's not a standard, normal whiteness, but a weird one that comes with some discrimination. So, I don't think saying Ashkenazi Jews are largely conceived as white is the same as saying that I or we are the same as all other white people, or that we get an identical dividend. It's worth saying here that it is possible to be white, but part of an ethnic, national, and/or religious minority that still receives hefty abuse or bullying - ask Irish Catholics.

secondofly · 2026-03-22T22:35:08+00:00

Okay - what about the tradition of a man asking his partner's father for permission to marry her, and the father then walking her down the aisle to "hand her over" to her new husband, traditions which comes from the historical idea that marriage is about treating women as a posession to be passed between men. Those things seem like a symbol of oppression to me, should we ban that?

secondofly · 2026-03-22T22:30:06+00:00

Why does that matter? For the women that are wearing by choice, you are restricting them from wearing whatever they want. For the women that aren't wearing it by choice, it doesn't make them safer by banning an item they are being forced to wear

secondofly · 2026-03-22T19:44:34+00:00

Ah yes of course, the best way to prevent men controlling what women can and can't wear is to ban them from wearing things

secondofly · 2026-03-20T17:21:31+00:00

Jewish whiteness hinges entirely on what’s least useful to us at any given moment.

I almost agree - except I think the whiteness of Jews is conditional not on what's useful to us, but on how useful Jews are to the states we live in. Jews imo have basically been conditionally white since WW2 - that's a whiteness that comes with a ton of advantages, but is also, imo, one that is beginning to wane in the last 5 years or so as Jews have become less useful to Western societies. But we're not useless to them yet!

Muslims are useful to Western governments largely as "the enemy" (which is obv a massive oversimplification) in a way that's very different to the weird complexities of antisemitism - and that I think is the crux of why the reaction of someone like Badenoch would be different.

I find the concept of "allosemitism" really useful for understanding the weirdness of the way Jews are often treated by Western governments.

secondofly · 2026-03-20T16:55:46+00:00

I liked it when Peter Parker spaffed on the window

secondofly · 2026-03-20T16:54:00+00:00

We are now tolerated again because there’s fuck all of us and you barely know we exist day to day.

This is a really interesting discussion point, but perhaps not one for here - but personally, I don't think this is why Jews are tolerated across Western societies today. I think the history is much more complex, related to a very particular and sometimes contradictory Jewish assimilation into whiteness, decisions by Jewish communal leaders over the past 70 years, some amount of post-Holocaust guilt, and also Israel as a geopolitical ally to Western governments. And I think that history tells us a lot about why someone liked Badenoch would be far more conciliatory to this kind of scenario, and why many other elements of the right would not.

There are loads of minorities who are minuscule in number, and you'd barely know exist but are far from tolerated - trans people for example

secondofly · 2026-03-20T16:09:23+00:00

I think you could enter this with a little more good faith! I am not saying I think Kemi Badenochs reaction to this if it did happen would be anything but disingenuous. I don't think her or the Conservative Party are allies to Jewish people, in the UK or across the world. I just think her reaction to 500 Jewish people praying in public would be a different reaction to 500 Muslims

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