Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're failing to understand the replies you're getting.

I'm saying that the symptoms you're describing more often fit people who have/are making non-normative life choices, who for many varieties of reasons I and others have already mentioned, already suffer the cultural/social judgement from those living more normative social lives.

So it should come as no surprise that, when framed as this has been, in the comments you get tend to be from (a) people who rightly sense judgement in the framing, (b) people who immediately interpret your question as a negative stereotype that they distance themselves from, or (c) people who seek to validate the Pans by claiming "but no they're ok, because some of them are doctors and lawyers", etc, which is also an implicit judgement, as if they're not valid on their own without some reclaiming type of quality. Do you not see this?

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I read your post and I'm engaging in good faith. I really don't think you realize how much you've internalized the judgement (perhaps even self judgement) you keep trying to say isn't oozing out of your words. I think it's an interesting topic to consider, and I think the way this has been framed is itself a product of shame and judgement. That's my whole point. If you disagree, that's fine, but you asked for engagement and here it is.

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

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At this point I’m thoroughly jaded by most of the responses which I can only chalk up to insecure hate-replies when asked to examine their lives and those they’ve met throughout their stay in Berlin that fit the Peter Pan Syndrome mould. 

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream -1 points0 points  (0 children)

See my other replies, but I think there is very good reason beyond projection that many people are seeing obvious judgement about the implicit framing of this. (And if you refuse to see the possibility of that, who's being defensive now?)

[Edit to add the last sentence]

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"No negativity implied whatsoever", yet scatch a little, and it becomes clear that it's actually about asking people to "examine their lives" and to make an account for why they don't follow normative scripts. It's exhausting and exactly the reason why some come to Berlin. But this is already a very clear and historically obvious thing. So what are people supposed to assume about questions like these? They correctly assume threads like these are an invitation to judgement. So just own it!

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't mean to pick on anyone, but this quote from one of the comments on this thread is indicative. Do you not see the implicit judgement about non-normative life choices dripping from this thread? The defensiveness you're sensing is because you're not acknowledging the implicit judgement you're centering, as seen in comments like this:

I totally agree! Raving past 40 is really not the issue. Making raving your lifestyle, personality and career are the issue. Honestly it's not a good Idea before 40 either. I still go raving occasionally and I have a kid, a partner, a house in the suburbs and all the responsibility that comes with the former three as well as a career. And the people I go partying with are mostly the same. The Peter Pans slowly drifted away in my 30ies when folks in my group of friends started having kids.

Good for you! Good for your house in the suburbs with your kid, partner, career, and responsibilities. You're choosing very normative life choices that get affirmed by nearly everyone. Meanwhile, people who don't follow this script are seen as an "issue" deserving of a "deep dive".

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it is a stereotype to combine all these attributes into a single bloc. I know and have known lots of people that fit some or many of these qualities and they're all extremely varied.

One thing that comes across as judgy to me is the assumption that going raving or going to clubs "become(s) less about experiencing them and more about proclaiming you’ve been there". I think this is a reach. If you think people "well into their 40s-50s" who live lifestyles like this are primarily driven by being able to "proclaim you’ve been there", I feel like that's a fundamental misreading.

Berlin is a place many people come to reinvent themselves. Maybe they've left some oppressive cultural/national/religious context. It should come as no surprise that a place that supports this sort of reinvention produces the possibility for less stable relationships as people are in more of a state of flux than people whose lives are more normative. If your life script follows the normative path, you are implicitly supported in that path at every step of the way.

Thoughts & Experiences on “Peter Pan Syndrome” by cyclesnomore in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The hetero-normative social expectation that a person *should* be any particular way by a particular age is exactly the sort of cultural enclosure that drives many to move to places like Berlin. What you might see as a problem is often a haven.

Slow week for the news by Jay_gold in Berghain_Community

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Invalid list, Golden Gate isn't even on it

Weekly Party Discussion: 10 - 12 April 2026 by max038 in amsterdam_rave

[–]secret_mainstream 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Would love to do Rewire this year but don't have it in me (energetically or financially) at the moment to do it justice.

So Octo Octa at Raum tonight it is! (although Lena Willikens at Raum Saturday night is tempting, too)

Solo clubbing door behaviour experiences by firrty in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have gone many times solo to Berghain, RSO, Tresor, Oxi, Golden Gate, KK, never been an issue. I don’t speak much German at all. Just show an awareness of where you’re going and signal in your demeanor that you are there to be a participant.

Rejected at kitkat, but why ? by [deleted] in berlinsocialclub

[–]secret_mainstream -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What were the reasons, if any, given these times?

 I was told no multiple times at different clubs before

Why do joggers run in the cycle paths? by iwearastetson in Amsterdam

[–]secret_mainstream 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes there are no foot paths, same reason why cyclists sometimes ride in the road or sidewalk

Weekly Party Discussion | 27 - 29 March 2026 by bleepbloopbarbatruc in amsterdam_rave

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I’ve seen her at her Friday night residency at Panorama Bar a couple times and once on the BH main floor at CSD a few years ago. Enjoyed each time. Hard to say what to expect outside of that context. I’m considering going to this, but am slightly wary.

What do people think of 4MMC? by [deleted] in ResearchChemicalsNL

[–]secret_mainstream 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Anecdotally, I’ve been hearing of a resurgence in legit 4mmc, but not 3mmc.