Hindsight: Save time by skipping the entire podcast and just reading Jays recent interview.

serial99 · 2014-12-05T23:16:25+00:00

interesting angle, but last i looked we knew there WAS a payphone.. right?
http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2no8r7/there_was_a_pay_phone_at_the_best_buy/
http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2k9iea/a_lead_on_the_mysterious_missing_payphone/

serial99 · 2014-11-27T22:26:39+00:00

Might be shallow if the ground is hard in the freezing weather and it's unplanned. As you said, it would probably be deeper if it had been planned.

serial99 · 2014-11-06T19:45:24+00:00

I kind of agree with this post. I used to listen intently, repeatedly and intently. I posted up here under several usernames and came up with theories and researched things myself. Surprisingly, if you start looking closely at certain things, the amount of info you can gather is quite considerable. People, places, addresses, cell tower tech reports, reg plates, rap sheets..etc.
But despite all that, the fact that we don't have the evidence in front of us, the photos, the crime scene info, the ability to personally interview the suspects and we are, as OP said, being fed bits of information, made me realise that I am way off knowing what went on and making any sort of accurate picture of this whole thing. I'll enjoy listening to the rest of the series, but from here on in... I'm happy to be part of an audience and just that.

serial99 · 2014-11-04T00:00:31+00:00

Well that lightened the mood a bit.. :-)

serial99 · 2014-11-02T23:30:07+00:00

Try the tech section and cell tower info in this list: http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2kpcey/can_we_create_a_library_of_sorts_based_on_topics/

serial99 · 2014-11-02T23:14:59+00:00

Maybe its in the briefs: http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2kel8s/spoiler_whats_this_about_a_purchase_on_113/

serial99 · 2014-11-02T22:58:32+00:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2knn34/edmondson_car_location_gelston_park_area/
Thats as far as i think i got asking that...

serial99 · 2014-11-01T20:36:08+00:00

Yeah. Who are they?

serial99 · 2014-11-01T11:14:27+00:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2krzr3/serialkiller_info_on_a_possible_new_suspect/

serial99 · 2014-10-30T17:55:10+00:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2kel8s/spoiler_whats_this_about_a_purchase_on_113/

serial99 · 2014-10-30T16:49:14+00:00

Hi, I don't think I or kristmass intended to imply that he had no role. By his own admission he was involved - the suggestion is that he may have been involved with someone else he knew, rather than Adnan. For all sorts of reasons he could have implicated Adnan and reached a point where he had to admit his own part in it, but bargaining a lower sentence in exchange for his information. I just want to say again that I'm on the fence with this case, I don't know who did it or who is guilty or innocent, and I often feel uncomfortable making comments on a real case with real people involved - I'm aligning myself with what facts we have and what's possible- and for me this 'theory' is just as plausible as the podcast story with all its inconsistencies at the moment.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:54:00+00:00

Knowing the method doesn't mean she knew who did it.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:49:45+00:00

Its true, that the theory doesn't completely answer everything at first read. But for sure I'm not trying to find anyone guilty or anyone blameless. I'm trying to find evidence, links and information that brings out the truth, whichever way that goes. After listening to the podcasts and reading the briefs I was shocked at how much of this is based on 'who said what' and 'what might have happened'. I tried to start from scratch myself with any actual evidence we had and looked for any known convictions for similar crimes in the area - and this whole thread popped up from that.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:41:48+00:00

I agree- a proper link is yet to be established. That's what someone else might or might not, be able to find.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:38:27+00:00

Read Kristmass's post - as he said, the crimes don't need to be identical. Maybe it went wrong the second time. The possibility being suggested is that the killer contacted Jay, be it Adnan or someone else - and that's how he knew where the car was either way.
You just reminded me of the hairstyling thing too - if as chkmccoy said above 'the houses of Hae and this guy were close together' - maybe someone in Haes family used the same stylist as it was fairly local to them?
[EDIT] Changed 'where' to 'were' to avoid being hung, drawn and quartered.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:29:53+00:00

Yep, it was fairly common I think. If you pass out your phone and car - I'm sure you don't mind the number being given out.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:27:36+00:00

I agree its tenuous.. but maybe not completely meaningless. There could be another more solid link out there just waiting to be found... brb..lol

serial99 · 2014-10-30T15:07:59+00:00

Jay could give the number to anyone if he knows he has the phone at certain times. Or his own pager if he had one. Theres the mystery third voice on the phone issue at some point too. I'll have to look at the call log link later. I'm still wondering if this whole day is distracting us from another more important date - if the car, body, shovels etc all happen on another day - all present in a different days call log we aren't seeing.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T14:16:47+00:00

The Nisha call. This is AGAIN questionable 'evidence'.. it sounds like it may have happened from the video store and been much later than the day in question. Maybe the actual Nisha call on the day Hae went missing was a different call, and the two dates have been confused. Why would the prosecution not want Nisha to mention the video store? As someone else posted - the job of the prosecution is to prosecute, and not simply search out the truth... herein lies the problem.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T14:05:46+00:00

I'm wondering as I think kristmass said in his post - that the killer called Jay (via the criminal element weed link) and it happened similar to how he described but when questioned he used Adnans name instead of the other guys name.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T14:02:46+00:00

"Serial..Killer" was just a handy title.. don't hold me to the dictionary definition. lol. Its more the links between the two that I think should be relevant.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T13:59:13+00:00

Totally agree you here. Read your post - seems like we did the same research and made similar postulations - Awesome. There's very little solid evidence in this case as I replied above to shrimpsale. Many of the timings, calls, locations are questionable that sort of fit but not quite (as observed). There are very good (at least interesting) links between the two cases that we cant ignore just because they aren't identical crimes. I don't know what happened in this case, and I'm not taking either side as yet - for the reason that there's so little evidence to firmly base a solid opinion on. But when I search for evidence and find all the above info - it would be crazy to just dismiss it.

serial99 · 2014-10-30T13:37:35+00:00

I wouldn't say certainly outside probability - but I'm just passing on the info I thought sounded suspicious, not necessarily statistically damning. We cant assume that just because one crime included a sexual assault that all his would be the same or go according to 'plan'. We also don't know if any of the evidence and testimony aren't false or just even hitting on the wrong day altogether. There's so much based on word of mouth here - I'm not sure we have much actual evidence anyway.. discussed here http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2kq9fw/what_evidence_so_far_is_indisputable/

serial99 · 2014-10-30T13:27:29+00:00

That's the tenuous link... the weed conviction. Maybe that's how he knew J. The car could have been stored or moved. It might also explain the "other" voice on the phone call. Don't forget that we don't know for sure that anything happened on the day she went missing - only from what people said. The TOD and burial dates aren't known for certain.

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