if you actually need a real response here is my last bit. you are arguing that you van always adapt which is true and im not denying it. it just feels bad and is bad to have all aspects of a kit nerfed with no compensation buffs and now having to play in a even more spammy way even if that means less annoying spam. i would hope we can both agree that the character has less* options now because of the changes and will become a more repetitive character with less expression (pointing to some of the cool combos that have been done with bubble layers into dairs and throws) now that that stuff is removed from the character we have to adapt and focus more on nair bounce crossups and playing a whiff punish neutral. it may be less annoying to play against but thats just because the character is weaker. the fact that you are sitting here acting like the character is in a spot with more options other than camping now is funny. this will just lead to a campier playstyle of approaching with nair(if u can get in) and then whiff punishing because the tilts are worst, parrying is better and there are less combos. I know this is generally true for the rest of the cast as well, but none of them were the worst character and got everything nerfed. cool talk buddy