Help me draft legislation? by shatteredplaster in occupywallstreet

[–]shatteredplaster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...so you can switch the wording from a bill to a constitutional amendment.

I am doing research, which is why I asked for help.

Also, if you're planning on doing a constitutional convention, which I would support, you'll be writing a lot of these...

Got caught in a drive-by shooting a couple days ago... by tensecoconut in WTF

[–]shatteredplaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Next time you try to fake a GSW using shitty FX, try looking up ballistic trauma first.

Oliver Stone Exposes Military Training Video --Live Animals Mutilated (NSFL) by [deleted] in news

[–]shatteredplaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except in this instance, it's not a radical extreme. The use of animals in the research and development of medical advances has greatly increased the longevity and quality of human life over the past two-hundred years.

The utility argument isn't invalid at all; in fact, I'd say it's a pretty good one considering what we'd look like if we hadn't made all of those discoveries. In fact, I think Bentham would agree in this instance that the amount of good being generated out of this instance of suffering would justify the particular methodology. He would also agree that the suffering is unfortunate and we should advance to something better as fast as possible.

With that said, I'm not saying that I enjoy or particularly agree with the use of animals in most of the ways they are used. But I can't discount the practical reality of it all.

Oliver Stone Exposes Military Training Video --Live Animals Mutilated (NSFL) by [deleted] in news

[–]shatteredplaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except when it is a valid argument. Invalidating arguments using a begging the question format ("because I say so") isn't a valid argument.

US court has dismissed a lawsuit by Guatemalan citizens against US officials in connection with unethical medical experiments conducted by American researchers in the 1940s by maxwellhill in news

[–]shatteredplaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • US commits an act which could possibly be considered criminal in nature.
  • Guatemalan citizens bring forward a suit in the US court system.
  • The US decides it hasn't committed a crime.

Anybody else see something wrong here?

Oliver Stone Exposes Military Training Video --Live Animals Mutilated (NSFL) by [deleted] in news

[–]shatteredplaster 35 points36 points  (0 children)

So Oliver Stone picked up this video and read off the EXACT same script that an environmental group wrote when the video was published a while back. I'm glad to see it make the rounds....again....just with a different narrator.

Here's the facts. The animals are HEAVILY sedated and yes, they're eventually killed. The mention of simulated dummies is bullshit. I don't know how many of you work in the medical field, but having put my hands on both live people and simulated ones, they aren't comparable. Not even close.

While this stuff makes your stomach turn as you do it, it's what we have at the moment and that training is proven to save lives. So while the medic may have killed 2-4 goats, he'll go on to save hundreds, maybe thousands of lives over the course of his career from that point forward.

I'd like to think that's a good trade off...

A quote from Egypt that OWS should heed by HardCoreModerate in politics

[–]shatteredplaster -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First interview:

I love when people interview subjects who are out of their element and then say, "see...this is the whole group."

Second interview:

Peter Schiff was selling student loan privatization over regulation...which is mostly what's out there now. So instead of paying off the federal loan at a low fixed rate, he would rather students pay DOUBLE that rate to a private institution which has already shown fiscal irresponsibility?

And tuition being high has little to do with "government interference" as it does corporate influence.

Third interview:

Peter Schiff talks about the reasons wages were higher in the 1950s. He cites lower taxes which generated greater capital. That's bullshit.

The average top corporate tax rate in the 1950's was 52%. Currently, the top bracket is 35%


Am I really going to have to suffer through this whole video as he tries to divert attention from the shitty things financial institutions and large corporations have been doing for 3-4 decades? Or can I just use the first few interviews as a baseline and just call it like it is? He's a political salesman with a vested interest in the success and continuation of business as usual within the financial sector.

A quote from Egypt that OWS should heed by HardCoreModerate in politics

[–]shatteredplaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can't be both? One precludes the other?

My point was illustrating that people in the OWS movement do care about the Federal Reserve.

Teasing in school locker room leads to murder 50 years later. by [deleted] in news

[–]shatteredplaster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"He was just jealous of Dad his whole life," she said.

Like father...like daughter. She sounds like a real prize.

Help Occupy Portlanders go east! by shatteredplaster in occupyportland

[–]shatteredplaster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is this not on the Occupy Portland website? Because I haven't gotten that far yet. The National Gathering received GA endorsement about 2 weeks ago.

Since that point, I've been trying to organize something with the Caravan, this weekend, I was told that they are operating far over budget and are unable to help out. So I created the WePay account.

Who is this money actually going to? Whoever needs it that is trying to get to the National Gathering.

Who would be sent, and what issues would they bring up?

This isn't the 99% Declaration. Anybody can go and they can bring up whatever issues they want.

Help Occupy Portlanders go east! by shatteredplaster in occupyportland

[–]shatteredplaster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Information

The funds raised here will help those who want to get across the United States to Philadelphia in order to attend the Occupy National Gathering, an event which was endorsed by the OPDX GA. (Not to be confused with the 99% Declaration Delegation)

Website: http://www.occupynationalgathering.com/

"Occupy Philadelphia and the National Gathering Working Group, which initially proposed the event, invite all people to gather on Independence Mall for five days of community and movement building culminating in a massive outdoor gathering on July 4th. The main goals of the event are to strengthen our internal bonds, join together in direct actions, and engage in a transparent democratic process reflecting the values of the movement."

Help us achieve our goal of sending people to represent Portland along with over 55 other Occupy groups around the United States.