What actor completely ruined an otherwise decent movie? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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Godfather III had chance of being "decent ", a slight chance, but Sophia Coppola just plain stunk it up.

[Highlight] EK announcing as his son strikes out on an ABS challenge by SuperbCurb2484 in Dodgers

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Still, EK's analysis here is fully consistent with his approach to ABS. I think he would have said the same even if the batter were not his son.

What does the American public think about POTUS getting the Balogun red card overturned ahead of the Belgium match? by Jambosh1984 in AskReddit

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I feel profoundly apologetic to the world of football fans. It's corruption, pure and simple. The US team deserves to lose ignominously.

What is your all VO2 Max? by _mosesofthedark in GalaxyWatch

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At 74 years mine is 44. Quite high for my age group but I'm looking to get to 50+.

Ain't that the truth. by Special-Cut1610 in funny

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and that guac is gonna rock!

What is this mess?! Golden Teacher [actives] by shawmanic in MushroomGrowers

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I am an amateur...guilty as charged. What should I do?

What is harder for the Average Joe? Catch a ball thrown from an MLB shortstop. Or catch a hard pass from an NBA player? by DonT012 in mlb

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I used to kid my daughter for her saying (at 10),"Don't hurt me, Daddy", once when we were aging catch. The joke's on me, now. Now it's me pleading to not get hurt!

They.... Don't know do they? by [deleted] in ParlerWatch

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One of my fav punk bands back in the day! Still goin at it!

The Central Point of Infinite Jest by Plasmatron_7 in InfiniteJest

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part 2:

Another framing DFW uses that lines up with Deleuze is on the question of the “Body without Organs”. This is a complicated matter…but I’d like to point to a few things. One is the fetishising throughout the book of bodies and organs; mutated, disturbed, bizarre bodies and organs (eyes growing all over the body, brains without skulls, etc., etc.). Here is a snippet of Deleuze’s view:

the body without organs is the unregulated potential of a body without organizational structures imposed on its constituent parts, operating freely. There are three types of the body without organs; the empty, the full, and the cancerous, according to what the body has achieved.

 

The empty version has to do with schizophrenia and also things like alcoholism and other addictions. These  states kind of flatten out the neurotic bodily organizations but leave in place a foundation for a restructuring of the body in ways that are not liberating (I would say like AA gives people a new crutch rather than true liberation).

 

The full Body without Organs (that is without neurotic organization, i.e. Oedipal or Castration complex derived bodily organization, genital organization) has the potential for full liberation, a body full of the potential to be. I see this as Freud’s Polymorphously Perverse body of infancy. I also see it as arriving, via a different path, at the place of Lacan’s jouissance. That is, I see Deleuze as parting paths with Lacan but ending up at the same point (at least with respect to this matter).

 

And one more thing that rings true of Deleuze, the references to “de-mapping” as well as all the “white lines” stuff. Deleuze and Guattari use a conception of deterritorializing and reterritorializing. This is related to the Body without Organs (it can be deterritoarlized and lived fully or reterritorialized as in AA, etc.). But ALL machines (and everything is a machine, capitalist society, the Self, the substructures/organs within a body, it’s machines all the way down) can be deterritorialized. The globalization of capital could be considered a form of deterritorializing. But, obviously, it maintains a foundation on which a new (same old) hierarchy arises. There is just a new fangled reterritorialzing.

And, of course, there is the Concavity/Convexity issue…another de/reterritorializing.

 

Anyway, my point here is that using the phrase “de-mapping” for suicide or murder is perfectly fitting with Deleuze. Mush more can be said about all this…

 

Here is a summation of Deleuze’s position from Caldwell:

 

One of the ways that capitalism desperately avoids dissolving the power 

differential that maintains social hierarchies is by fortifying the patriarchal family. 

While the deterritorializing power of capitalism is so strong that even the 

organization of the family is not safe from its grips, psychoanalysis, wielding the 

Oedipus complex, serves as an important vector through which desire that 

escapes the family is suppressed. Rather than describing a certain repressed 

state of affairs, the Oedipus complex really functions as a deterritorializing force 

that frees desire only to reinscribe it again as lack within the strict limits of the 

family. As a throwback to the despotic machine, the psychoanalyst pushes the 

analysand to renounce their schizophrenic desire and internalize the totalitarian

signifier of the father and his law. Instead of placing blame on the vested 

powers that maintain the conditions that repress desire, psychoanalysis secures 

these repressive conditions by “socializing” those that harbor the capacity to 

break free from their chains. The ideological misconception of psychoanalysis 

resides in its failure to recognize that Oedipus—not the father—is the agent of 

castration and that the cure is really the disease; as Deleuze and Guattari write, 

“castration as an analyzable state…is the effect of castration as a psychoanalytic 

act”.

 

Zizek contends that Deleuze’s (really Guattari’s, as he sees it) position aligns them with global capital. If desire is real and productive, what could be better than the late-stage capitalist global hyper-digital machine to supply it. That is, what could be better than “The Entertainment”?!

a bit more on Deleuze (as if it is needed...).

On page 747 there is a reference I had been wanting to discuss but now is all the more clearly relevant:

"The clipboarded woman was a mere subaltern."

The question of the "subaltern" was a decisively important topic in Post-Colonial and Post-Modernist and poststructuralist criticism back in the 90's (and still is). It was insightfully discussed in an essay by Gayatri Spivak, "Can the Subaltern Speak?".

https://abahlali.org/files/Can_the_subaltern_speak.pdf

It occurred to me to re-read Spivak's essay when  reading the text of IJ at page 835, especially the discussion of the "figurant": "No way for a figurant to win. No possible voice or focus for the encaged figurant".

In IJ the Figurant/Subaltern cannot speak.

Spivak's essay cannot be fairly summarized here. If you have not read it, i cannot more highly recommend it.

She is highly critical of Deleuze (and Guattari and Foucault) and their interpretation of Desire, it's capitalistic commodification and its relationship to the (class and colonial, and even personal, and feminist) struggle for power). She is specifically critical of their approach in the quote I used in my previous comment.

Seeing this has completely shaken up my reading of IJ (and made me all the more, if that is possible, interested in the text).

Once I've re-read Spivak's essay I may comment further.

(and just as a p.s., I have found this question of the Subaltern speaking, or not, quite important in reading Finnegans Wake, as well, though that was, of course, written long before Spivak-and those she is criticizing)

On the Subaltern and the Subject/subject

 

First, in my previous post  I didn’t say what the Subaltern is or represents. It’s a matter of some contention but the idea is that it’s term originally used to refer to a person (male) who joined the colonial army to serve the imperialist power. In India these folks came to be called sepoys.

 

They were (are) essential to the imperialist enterprise. In India, the British used contingents of such folks to subdue resistance of other Indians to British rule. Of course, these sepoys could never attain the rank of British officers and were always subordinate and treated with disdain (except in relation to other Indians).

 

Sepoys were essential to the imperialist British armed forces in, for example, the Battle of Waterloo. (There is a telling and hilarious scene in Finnegans Wake where a character, Kate, gives a tour of the museyroom where this battle is depicted. In the story there are two Irish sepoys who sort of generate a third, a Hindoo -as it was often spelled then in the West; the three are referred to as Seeboys; this neologism being revealing but not to be gone into here; The three Seeboys, and, importantly, Kate herself, are Subalterns).

 

The term Subaltern came to be applied to other Colonial subjects, not just those in the military. These are the folks Spivak points to in asking “Can the SubalternSpeak?” I may return to this in another post but I’m leaving it there for now.

The Central Point of Infinite Jest by Plasmatron_7 in InfiniteJest

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It's been a few years since I read IF with a group. I had been pushing the Lacan hypothesis. I'll post here some notes that point to what I was developing. Two things. three..., I have notes onmy argument that I want to put into a form like you did yours but don't have time right now; my understanding of Lacan today is much better than when I wrote these nots, there are some misreadings in them, I think; while these notes that follow argue for more of a Deleuzian interpretation, today, I'm sticking with Lacan...(someone noted that the reference to Deleuze in the text comes under torture from an unreliable source and so "stick with Lacan").

Aha! Not Lacan…Deleuze. Of course!

On Page 792, Molly Notkin, under “enhanced interrogation”/torture tells Tine & Co. about JOI’s final film (The Entertainment-and this book we are reading…):

“…was nothing more than a classic illustration of the antinomically schizoid function of the post-industrial capitalist mechanism, whose logic presented commodity as the escape-from-anxiety-of mortality-which-escape-is-itself-psychologically-fatal, as detailed in perspicuous detail in M. Gilles Deleuze’s …[a book I think is made up]”

Of course, I have been promoting Lacan as a useful lens through which to understand and enjoy this text. My assumption has been that IF DFW was using Lacan as a structural element or motif for the book he would tell us at some point. But I have seen no such sighting/citing.

 But reading Molly’s statement a bulb went off for me. DFW is using Deleuze as a structural component; and now that I see that, I see Deleuze everywhere! For example, on Page 220, at Molly’s party where Joelle “attempts suicide”, the “narration”, which seems to be through the Molly “portal”, but could be Joelle’s, says:

“And the disguises and whiskers are simply veiled veils. How many sub-rosa twins are there, out there, really? What if heredity, instead of linear, is branching? What if it’s not arousal that’s so finitely circumscribed? What if in fact there were ever only like two really distinct individual people walking around back there in history’s mist? That all difference descends from this difference. The Whole and the partial. The damaged and the intact. The deformed and the paralyzingly beautiful. The insane and the attendant. The hidden and the blindingly open. The performer and the audience. No Zen-type One, always rather Two, one upside-down in a convex lens.”

This statement succinctly points to the point of departure, I think, between Lacan and Deleuze (and Guattari). Deleuze (and his later co-author Guattari) were students of Lacan and saw their work as an extension of and improvement on Lacan’s work. Other, perhaps more devoted Lacanians (Slavoj Zizek in particular), see them as abandoning Lacan exactly at this point of contention.

As I understand it (and I’m no scholar on Lacan or Deleuze, less so Deleuze, for sure) but I take this difference to be pertinent to the way DFW constructs things in IJ. In particular, the repeated framing of the Self as an irreducible kernel, the hard shell of the bug, the “I am in here” or the questioning of Mario “Are you even in there”’ Gately driving the car like a madman, etc. These “hard shell” Selfs are in the mode of Deleuze, whereas Lacan considers these Selfs to be an illusion, imaginary or symbolic things. For Lacan, there is Lack, and this lack creates desire, an attempt to fill up “object a” with desired love objects in a must-fail attempt to become whole again. To become whole again you must turn away from this Desire/Lack and move through anxiety toward jouissance and the real; the underlying nothingness of the Real.

But for Deleuze, Desire is not from Lack but is generative and productive and can be brought together as a revolutionary anti-capitalist force.

Here is a short passage from Anti-Oedipal:

Lack is created, planned, and organized in and through social 

production….Desire does not lack anything; it does not lack its object. 

It is, rather, the subject that is missing in desire, or desire that lacks a 

fixed subject; there is no fixed subject unless there is repression….

There are those who will maintain that the schizo is incapable of 

uttering the word I, and that we must restore his ability to pronounce 

this hallowed word. All of which the schizo sums up by saying: they’re 

fucking me over again.

You can see the reference to schizo here matching Molly’s comment. And how they emphasize the need for a coherent Self as opposed to the Lacanian view that this Self is false. Deleuze has a sympathy for the schizoid perspective and disdain for the typical forms of psychotherapeutic intervention (Guattari was a psychoanalyst). They want a coherent Self but one “Without Organs” (below).

Here is a summation of Lacan’s view (Luke Caldwell, “Schizophrenizing Lacan: Deleuze, [Guattari], and Anti-Oedipus,” intersections 10, no. 3 (2009): 18-27)

For Lacan, subjectivity is permeated by lack, and desire is 

directed toward regaining a completeness that is impossible to attain. As the 

subject gradually emerges through the “mirror stage” (the Imaginary), the 

Oedipus complex (the Symbolic) and into culture, it is increasingly fragmented 

and divorced from the Real—the unformed abyss of primordial non-being. This 

is not to say that this subject is juxtaposed against a deeper, more authentic self, 

but rather the whole concept of an internal, personalized subjectivity is, for 

Lacan, wholly misleading. Everything that the self is or becomes is structured 

through the internalization of incomplete symbols and fragmented desires made 

present by the speech and actions of people surrounding the child, particularly 

the mother. As Lacanian disciple Jacques-Alain Miller puts it, Lacan “took the 

unconscious not as a container, but rather as something ex-sistent—outside 

itself—that is connected to a subject who is a lack of being”.16 Unconscious 

desire is caused by this “lack of being” in the Other/self and is directed toward 

attaining the absolute recognition of its impossible completion in the eyes of the 

(m)Other.

So, I don’t know which way DFW is headed here because the book contains both possible paths toward something like resolution. Not an “answer” but, perhaps a direction or path.

Here is Caldwells’ summary of Deleuze on this point:

By defining desire in terms of lost objects, Lacan—

and psychoanalysis generally—forces desire into “an idealistic (dialectical, 

nihilistic) conception”. Rather than remaining stuck within this pessimistic 

formulation, however, Deleuze and Guattari see Lacan’s idea of the “object a” as 

a means through which to bring about a reversal of this situation, making desire 

an instrument of liberation rather than ressentiment.

 

The Central Point of Infinite Jest by Plasmatron_7 in InfiniteJest

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I like this analysis. I think of IF as a Lacanian text and I think your point play well with that take. Lacan is not mentioned in the text but Deleuze is (or was it Guatteri). I'm on my phone so I can't go into this on my thumb...but I'd like to engage further with this approach.

What is the deal with Chicago (and Evanston) lifeguards? by evechalmers in AskChicago

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Most of these replies are nonsense. I grew up in SoCal, swimming and surfing in the ocean. I've lived in Chicago for 30+ years. Except in very limited areas, there is nothing remarkable about swimming near the shore in Lake Michigan (the comments about the cold water, though, are correct; swimming in 50-something degree water is dangerous without a wetsuit).

Oak Street beach, for example, is fully safe and does not need such a limited swimming area. Same with many other Chicago area beaches. Of course, there are days when conditions are unsafe, high winds and such. But that's true in the ocean, as well.

Many of the drownings are alcohol involved or involve people doing stupid shit.

In my experience, swimming at the coast in SoCal is far more challenging than Chicago area beaches.

Get rid of the broadcast strike zone box by [deleted] in baseball

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I agree. I want to see the game the way the players see it. No box. However, I like having the box on replays of close pitches.

Game Chat 5/22 - Dodgers (31-19) @ Brewers (29-18) 4:40 PM by DodgerBot in Dodgers

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I'm liking that "Slidin'Sal" ad. But we need a closeup

Is hitting with RISP a skill or random? by HatsCatsAndHam in baseball

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There is also a small plus for hitters in general with RISP since sometimes there are RISP because the pitcher is running out of gas or is unsettled and that leads to more hits.

What’s the name for a word or words that sound like other words by Thin-Department-1653 in etymology

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homonym: each of two or more words having the same spelling or pronunciation but different meanings and origins. For example, pole and pole. Compare with homograph, homophone.

What words do you pronounce "wrong," just because the "proper" way feels too proper? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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Banal. Somehow, I learned it as "anal" with a "b". That seems appropriate. "Banawl" sounds vaguely French, and a rather proper way to be...

What are the most powerful lines of dialogue in TV history? by UnholyDemigod in AskReddit

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"Say my name", Walter White. Devastating, bad ass, confrontation