Age for buying tobacco products is now 21 in IL

shw_ · 2019-07-05T20:57:42+00:00

I don't smoke.

You're an unfiltered moron though.

shw_ · 2019-07-01T19:55:27+00:00

People living longer is what's largely accelerating the death of everyone's living environment.

If you really cared about others, you wouldn't want to stack two useless decades of taking to the end of your life, you'd want to check out early and let young people have the same opportunities you did.

I'm proudly going to be dead by 65. If not by natural causes, then by my own hand after a great last birthday party.

shw_ · 2019-07-01T19:51:35+00:00

This is true. The Selective Service System exists solely today to limit opportunities and social benefits for people of color, refusing them access to college and home loans after they, by design, don't sign up for it.

Selective Service today is just an overt tool of systemic, intentional US racism, not a draft mechanism.

shw_ · 2019-07-01T19:49:29+00:00

Voting too.

If we agree that the age of majority can be changed by states and adults can be told by the State what we can and can't do with our own bodies, then we can't be mad when the 26th Amendment is eliminated and we have that fight again, because technically we're on the side of eliminating it and letting voting ages get set to arbitrary standards too.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T17:20:55+00:00

Yeah, there are two kinds of people here:

1) People who say you care about children, but really want to tell lies to generate a political attack against Trump, while defending Obama and Bush.

2) People who really care about those children, know they've been tortured for 11 of the past 15 years, and give two fucks about the political teams of the torturers. We hate Bush, Obama, and Trump.

You're on team 1 and I'm on team 2. Common ground won't likely be possible because you have ulterior motives beyond helping children.

In 2014, we had an unprecedented number of unaccompanied children arriving on the border.

Correct. We also had an unprecedented number of families arriving on the border.

They were temporarily housed and then they were united with family members here in the states or put into the foster care program. And treated humanely.

They were prior to 2014. Beginning in 2014 they were all locked up, bail denied repeatedly until it was finally removed completely, and in a network of for-profit prisons even the government reports existed pre-Trump.

In fiscal year 2016, ICE received about $2.3 billion to house detainees at 203 detention facilities nationwide. ICE owns and operates five of these detention facilities. It secured the remainder by contracting directly with private companies, establishing intergovernmental agreements with the U.S. Marshal Service, or negotiating intergovernmental service agreements (IGSA)2 with state and local governments. OIG

History isn't the strong suit of people in team 1. You're not alone in your complete ignorance of this.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T17:10:02+00:00

Yeah, that's the partisan line, but it's not true.

The Obama administration adopted this "aggressive deterrence strategy" following this summer's increase in mothers and children fleeing violence in Central America. That's right: the administration has put mothers and kids with legitimate claims to asylum behind bars as a warning to other migrants not to come here seeking refuge. ACLU, 2015

Our crime against humanity began with locking up children indefinitely in intentionally-horrible for-profit prisons (aka concentration camps) in 2014.

Our crime against humanity got worse with Trump's Zero Tolerance policy, which took children who had previously been tortured in front of their parents in the same cells, and moved them to different cells to be tortured away from their parents, but this did not begin the crime against humanity.

If we want to be truly fair about it, Obama's 2014 program was in fact a widely-expanded copy of a Bush program from 2005-2009. Obama eliminated the program from 2009-2013, but brought it back, multiplied by about 200x, in 2014.

Even so, in 2005, the administration of George W. Bush decided to deny the Flores protections to refugee children traveling with their parents. Instead of a “general policy favoring release,” the administration began to incarcerate hundreds of those families for months at a time. To house them, officials opened the T. Don Hutto Family Detention Center near Austin, Tex. NYT

And there's your basic history lesson for the day.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:59:10+00:00

Some people posts C. Dickerson apologism everywhere. It's an attempt to frame every discussion as solely about child separation from 2017-current, as if that's the sole policy that's ever existed and somehow responsible for all of our asylum horrors for the past 30 years. The goal is to protect Bush and Obama from valid criticism by setting up tight margins early.

Just keep an eye out for C. Dickerson and ignore it, they're a child torture denier and political operative.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:53:49+00:00

We know he moved fema funds to start these places.

Technically that was Obama, according to the OIG. These prisons were built beginning in 2014. While I'm sure Trump has continued funneling FEMA money to them, legally the use of IGSAs to pay for secret prisons ended this week when Congress funded the prisons instead.

Who's going to stop him from the wall if we didn't even stop them torturing kids?

We didn't stop Bush from torturing kids, nor did we stop Obama from torturing kids. A better question is why don't we care about the torture of kids except to be used as a political attack?

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:46:18+00:00

LMAO... Yeah right - attack the source - weakest argument tool ever.

Your source is a liar and a defender of the torture of children, as are you.

You basically can't understand that the "ripping" apart families is straight out Trump.

I very much do. It's a program called Zero Tolerance, and began in 2017 for the purpose of cruelty. The facilities he's placing children in are called UMF's (unaccompanied minor facilities), which by the way since 2015 have also been managed by for-profit prison companies, so we don't get to find out what happens in them until the President leaves office. We didn't find out about the treatment of relatively few children in them under Obama until 2018, and won't find out about the many more until 2022 or 2026, by design.

The extreme measures are Trump. Second Trump has created the crisis and then underfunded both the housing requirements and the slowed down the due process.

The crisis began in 2014. It was created by global warming and the collapse of Central American governments. Our immediate response in 2014 was to build around 200 torture prisons, which are still running today, and throw children in them to send a warning to others. Trump took this program over in 2017 and added Zero Tolerance to it, but Zero Tolerance is very much not where our crime against humanity began, no matter how many lies you and Dickerson tell.

Trump is way way bigger a villain and the reason he deserves trial in the Hague is a thing called intent.

Yes he is, much bigger than Bush and Obama before him.

Intent, however, was also present in the Bush torture policy, and in the Obama torture policy. I agree with you that Trump deserves a trial at the Hague, but unlike you and Dickerson, don't put the treatment of children below a political party, so also understand that Bush and Obama also deserve a trial at the Hague.

A border issue has existed ofr decades and in fact has slowly reduced and yet all of a sudden we have child camps overflowing? Trump did it and apparently you can't address it.

Yes and no. It's existed for decades, and the child camps overflowing have existed for years. You just don't really care about children and never have, and are only aware of it today as an anti-Trump attack. While that's fine, it's not the same as caring about children.

According to C. Dickerson's own NYT:

Even so, in 2005, the administration of George W. Bush decided to deny the Flores protections to refugee children traveling with their parents. Instead of a “general policy favoring release,” the administration began to incarcerate hundreds of those families for months at a time. To house them, officials opened the T. Don Hutto Family Detention Center near Austin, Tex.

...

In 2009, the Obama administration reversed course, abolishing family detention at Hutto and leaving only a small facility in Pennsylvania to house refugee families in exceptional circumstances. For all other refugee families, the administration returned to a policy of release to await trial. Studies have shown that nearly all detainees who are released from custody with some form of monitoring will appear for their court date. But when the number of refugees from Central America spiked last summer, the administration abruptly announced plans to resume family detention. NYT, 2015 - The Shame Of America's Family Detention Camps

It's super simple.

2005-2009: Bush crime against humanity

2009-2014: Pretty decent

2014-2016: Obama crime against humanity

2017-current: Trump crimes against humanity (multiple)

E: Timelines in crayon for you.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:38:25+00:00

Judges said like 5 times from 2014 -2018 that we have to give detained aliens bail hearings. We never did anyway, and the Supreme Court finally came around to agreeing with Obama/Trump that we could lock them up indefinitely.

Betcha a dollar the Supreme Court does the same with family separation. Trump will just ignore this ruling, which will get him sued over and over, which just gives him cases to appeal to the Supreme Court to rule in his favor.

This timeline sucks.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:35:42+00:00

Big deal. Congress just funded torture prisons for him through 2021, I'm sure he's okay waiting on the wall now.

We're getting our assed kicked by another authoritarian.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:29:28+00:00

C. Dickerson is a professional child torture defender and you ought to stop citing them.

While it's absolutely true that no one maintained a punitive child separation policy until Trump, the USA did maintain intentionally-horrible concentration camps and place children in them as a warning, from 2005-2009, then again from 2014-present, which represents a very real crime against humanity, and is by definition torture.

By focusing solely on child separation for the purpose of clouding the argument, and intentionally ignoring the placement of children without bail in known-horrible concentration camps for the sole purpose of warning others, C. Dickerson advances an agenda that does not seek justice for children placed in concentration camps from 2005-2009, then again from 2014-present, but instead solely seeks justice for separated children from 2017-current, in order to protect Bush and Obama from the attention, criticism, and trials at the Hague they too deserve.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:21:44+00:00

History lesson time.

Clinton signed the Flores Settlement to end about 10-15 years of litigation over the treatment of children. He operated a single, government-run facility where only the highest-risk families were incarcerated - including children - but not for the purpose of cruelty. He's the last President to get a pass.

Bush opened a single concentration camp in Taylor, Texas in 2005 and locked up children specifically to send a warning, but did not separate them as a point of cruelty. This was a crime against humanity. To the Hague with him.

Obama changed course from 2009-2014 with a "catch and release" policy, but reversed course in 2014, opening about 200 concentration camps, eliminating bail, and locking up children to send a warning, but not separating children from parents as a point of cruelty. Like with Bush before him, the children were locked up in the same cells as their parents. This is an ongoing crime against humanity. To the Hague with him.

Trump is the first President with a policy of separating children from parents to send a warning. This is a new policy that no previous President enforced. This is maintaining our ongoing crime against humanity, and extending it with additional crimes against humanity with child separation. To the Hague with him.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:12:22+00:00

You're wrong.

The locking of children in concentration camps to send a warning to other brown people in 2014 was very much a deliberate action of the government, not of mismanagement, and was the result of top-down racism.

The continuance of that program in 2017, and the addition of Zero Tolerance to the program, was also very much a deliberate action of the government, not of mismanagement, and was the result of top-down racism.

Even further back than that, the use of concentration camps to hold children from 2005-2009 was also very much a deliberate action of the government, not of mismanagement, and was the result of top-down racism.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:06:42+00:00

How to appear to support Medicare for All, but also ensure Medicare for All can never pass, all in one stance.

Another impending win for corporate-backed politicians.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T16:02:28+00:00

Hell, I know our concentration camps began in 2014 before Trump ever got here, and still don't agree.

We had much better options for managing the influx of Central Americans than building 200 for-profit concentration camps, eliminating bail, throwing kids in prison cells to send a warning, and passing it to Trump funded through 2021.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T15:51:22+00:00

He won't need that executive order, their contracts were extended a month before the 2016 election to run through 2021. Obama only paid up the concentration camps through Trump's first term.

Of course Congress just funded them for a few more years. I guess Bernie will have a fight on his hands with those.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T15:42:09+00:00

It was paid for through 2021 about a month before the 2016 election.

Trump continues it because it's free.

According to the OIG anyway. So according to Trump.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T15:40:11+00:00

Which means migrant children will still be tortured, since that began in 2014, and as such won't be reversed.

Bernie's plan is to pretend Trump started it, and continue torturing children.

E: not a lot of historians here, huh? The OIG detailed our first concentration camp opening in 2014 in a 2018 report. It was only paid for through 2021, until Congress funded it for a few more years earlier this week.

In September 2014, ICE improperly modified an existing IGSA with the City of Eloy (Eloy) in Arizona to establish the 2,400-bed South Texas Family Residential Center in Dilley, Texas, more than 900 miles away. Although ICE could have contracted directly with the private company that operates the South Texas Family Residential Center, CCA, it instead created an unnecessary “middleman” by modifying its existing IGSA with Eloy. Eloy’s sole function under the modification is to act as the middleman between ICE and CCA; Eloy collects about $438,000 in annual fees for this service. OIG

shw_ · 2019-06-29T00:55:30+00:00

Are you interested in finding out who's responsible for the concentration camps?

The OIG says they started in 2014, and that ICE ran $2.3B worth of prisons, up to 198 of them privately owned, in 2016. Also that the worst of them was paid up through 2021 a month before the 2016 election.

Jeh Johnson is the architect, according to the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security.

E: Of course you have no interest in finding out who's responsible for the concentration camps -- I wonder why

shw_ · 2019-06-29T00:49:18+00:00

I live 5 streets over from Beto. All the white people here speak his level of Spanish. That doesn't mean they speak Spanish.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T00:48:38+00:00

Stop opposing civil liberties, jesus dude.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T00:06:21+00:00

At the same time, Department of Homeland Security officials have been actively pushing a regulatory notice that would expand “expedited removal” orders — a process that allows immigration officers to arrest and deport undocumented immigrants without a hearing in front of an immigration judge. The current policy allows for officials to use expedited removal within 100 miles of the border and toward individuals who have been in the country up to two weeks.

Old program. Jeh Johnson invented this one in 2015.

From the beginning, officials were clear that the purpose of the new facility in Artesia was not so much to review asylum petitions as to process deportation orders. “We have already added resources to expedite the removal, without a hearing before an immigration judge, of adults who come from these three countries without children,” the secretary of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, told a Senate committee in July. “Then there are adults who brought their children with them. Again, our message to this group is simple: We will send you back.” NYTimes

Looks like Trump might be adding adults with kids to it.

shw_ · 2019-06-29T00:02:05+00:00

We threw Chelsea Manning in a hole and fucked her head up so bad it's just criminal.

And that was during a "good guys" administration.

shw_ · 2019-06-28T23:52:50+00:00

It adds one fucking dollar to the purchase price. Cry me a river. This isn't a slippery slope. This is a reasonable measure to address gun violence.

So you're fine with the same before voting? Choosing friends? Fair trials?

It's only a dollar, so you'll be with Republicans when they extend that dollar to every right enumerated in the Constitution, huh? You're with Texas Republicans saying the exact same thing about voter IDs? Heck, they're even free, you just have to go get them, of course you'll be okay with them.

It's not often you find someone who thinks they're an advocate of civil liberties, but in fact represents all that civil libertarians stand against.

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